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		<title>Cardinals hitters versus Giants starting pitchers</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2011 14:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Brian Walton</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[How St. Louis Cardinals batters have fared against the three San Francisco Giants starting pitchers they will face this weekend.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="/home/domeboys/public_html/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Zito-Cain-200.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-10988" title="San Francisco Giants Barry Zito and Matt Cain" src="/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Zito-Cain-200.jpg" alt="" /></a>Given the St. Louis Cardinals’ struggles on offense early this season, currently last in the National League in run scoring, I thought it would be illustrative to show Cardinals hitters’ past results against the San Francisco Giants’ weekend starters, <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/player_search.cgi?search=Jonathan+Sanchez&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_campaign=Linker" target="_blank">Jonathan  Sanchez</a></strong>, <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cainma01.shtml?utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_campaign=Linker" target="_blank">Matt  Cain</a></strong> and <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/z/zitoba01.shtml?utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_campaign=Linker" target="_blank">Barry  Zito</a></strong>.</p>
<p>The samples are not large, but perhaps offer some glimpse of hope. <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/molinya01.shtml?utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_campaign=Linker" target="_blank">Yadier  Molina</a></strong> and <strong><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/pujolal01.shtml?utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_campaign=Linker" target="_blank">Albert  Pujols</a></strong> have done especially well in the past against the trio of Giants’ pitchers. The Cardinals also miss two-time National League Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum. Like St. Louis, the defending World Champions began a disappointing 2-4, though Friday marks their 2011 home opener.</p>
<p>Addendum: The Cardinals were 3-3 against the Giants last season with both teams going 2-1 at home. In the all-time regular season series, the Cardinals trail the Giants 913-979 (.483). The Cardinals are 14-19 all-time in regular season play at AT&amp;T Park.</p>
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<td width="131">Friday</td>
<td width="112">Saturday</td>
<td width="101">Sunday</td>
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<td>Jonathan Sanchez</td>
<td>Matt Cain</td>
<td>Barry Zito</td>
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<td>(vs. Jake Westbrook)</td>
<td>(vs. Jaime Garcia)</td>
<td>(vs. Kyle Lohse)</td>
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<td height="17">Batter vs. pitcher</td>
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<td height="17">Lance Berkman</td>
<td>0-4 .000</td>
<td>3-8 .375</td>
<td>4-10 .400</td>
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<td height="17"></td>
<td>2k</td>
<td>1hr 1bb 2k</td>
<td>1hr 1bb 1k</td>
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<td height="17">Allen Craig</td>
<td>0-0 .000</td>
<td>0-0 .000</td>
<td>1-5 .200</td>
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<td height="17"></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td>1hr 1k</td>
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<td height="17">David Freese</td>
<td>0-0 .000</td>
<td>0-1 .000</td>
<td>0-2 .000</td>
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<td>1k</td>
<td>1bb 1k</td>
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<td height="17">Matt Holliday</td>
<td>4-18 .222</td>
<td>6-35 .171</td>
<td>6-27 .222</td>
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<td height="17">(injured)</td>
<td>4bb 4k</td>
<td>2hr 4bb 9k</td>
<td>2hr 2bb 6k</td>
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<td height="17">Yadier Molina</td>
<td>1-3 .333</td>
<td>2-6 .333</td>
<td>5-13 .385</td>
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<td>2bb</td>
<td>1bb</td>
<td>3bb 1k</td>
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<td height="17"></td>
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<td height="17">Albert Pujols</td>
<td>4-5 .800</td>
<td>8-12 .667</td>
<td>6-15 .400</td>
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<td height="17"></td>
<td>1bb 1k</td>
<td>2hr 3bb</td>
<td>2hr 5bb 4k</td>
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<td height="17"></td>
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<td height="17">Colby Rasmus</td>
<td>0-0 .000</td>
<td>4-8 .500</td>
<td>1-2 .500</td>
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<td height="17"></td>
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<td>1k</td>
<td>1k</td>
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<td height="17">Skip Schumaker</td>
<td>0-6 .000</td>
<td>3-15 .200</td>
<td>5-9 .556</td>
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<td height="17"></td>
<td>2k</td>
<td>1bb 1k</td>
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<td height="17"></td>
<td></td>
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<td height="17">Ryan Theriot</td>
<td>3-7 .429</td>
<td>3-20 .150</td>
<td>3-14 .214</td>
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<td>1hr 1bb</td>
<td>1bb 3k</td>
<td>1bb 1k</td>
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<p>Data courtesy of <a href="http://www.actasports.com/">Bill James’ Matchups</a>.</p>
<p>Also, I discovered a new feature at The Baseball Cube called “Player Connections” to compare the intersection of any two players. Won-loss of their teams and head-to-head stats are included by game. <a href="http://www.thebaseballcube.com/analysis/connections.asp?P1=1413&amp;P2=49388">This example</a> is Pujols and Bud Norris.</p>
<p>While the invaluable Baseball-Reference.com has a <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/batter_vs_pitcher.cgi?batter=pujolal01&amp;pitcher=norribu01#gotresults&amp;batter=pujolal01&amp;pitcher=norribu01&amp;min_year_game=2009&amp;max_year_game=2010&amp;post=1&amp;ajax=1&amp;submitter=1&amp;z=1&amp;z=1">similar feature</a>, they require a subscription to see all the individual game detail, while the Cube’s capability is free.</p>
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		<title>Who just blinked: DeRosa or the Cardinals?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Brian Walton</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Free Agency]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mark DeRosa]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is Mark DeRosa’s reported two year, $12 million deal with the San Francisco Giants out of line with the market? If not, why didn’t the St. Louis Cardinals jump in?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Mark DeRosa’s reported two year, $12 million deal with the San Francisco Giants out of line with the market? If not, why didn’t the St. Louis Cardinals jump in?</p>
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<p>Many St. Louis Cardinals watchers are distressed to learn that free agent infielder <strong>Mark DeRosa</strong> will be signing with the San Francisco Giants for two years, $12 million.</p>
<p>Their concerns are in a couple of major areas:</p>
<ul>
<li>Is the Cardinals’ Plan “B”      for 2010 slipping away? The versatile 34-year-old was considered by many      to be part of St. Louis’      back up plan in case they are unable to sign <strong>Matt Holliday</strong>.</li>
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<li>DeRosa dropped his price to a      reasonable range. The average amount of his Giants contract, $6 million      per year, is in contrast to the three years, $27 million deal that DeRosa      was reportedly seeking earlier in the off-season. Yet the new deal is a slight raise from his career-high $5.5 million earned in 2009.</li>
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<p>Conclusions Cardinals fans can draw from their club’s apparent lack of action with DeRosa are one or some combination of these three:</p>
<ul>
<li>St. Louis either believes they are close with Holliday or have gone &#8220;all in&#8221; at least emotionally to try to outwait agent Scott Boras to get him.</li>
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<li>They had no serious intention of      bringing DeRosa back despite offering him arbitration and a contract for an undisclosed amount and duration early in the off-season.</li>
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<li>DeRosa was interested in      playing elsewhere.</li>
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<p><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-6035" title="Mark DeRosa (AP photo)" src="/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/DeRosa-hr-ap-200.jpg" alt="Mark DeRosa (AP photo)" />As much as anyone, I would love to know the clear answer to the above, but we don’t.</p>
<p>So the area I want to investigate is whether or not it appears that DeRosa gave the Giants a sweetheart deal financially. To do that, I looked at both third basemen and second basemen that signed new contracts so far this winter.</p>
<p>Listed below are the players’ ages next season, their years and dollar amounts of their new deals and the average annual value (AAV). I added their OPS+ scores for the last two seasons as well as their most recent Elias scores and classification, which also cover the last two seasons.</p>
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<td style="width: 30pt;" width="40">2010</td>
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<td style="width: 32pt;" width="43">2009</td>
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<td style="width: 37pt;" width="49">2009</td>
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<td>Age</td>
<td>Years</td>
<td>Total</td>
<td>AAV</td>
<td>OPS+</td>
<td>OPS+</td>
<td>Elias</td>
<td>Type</td>
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<td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Mark DeRosa</td>
<td>35</td>
<td>2</td>
<td>$12M</td>
<td>$6M</td>
<td>99</td>
<td>117</td>
<td>70.330</td>
<td>B</td>
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<td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Placido Polanco</td>
<td>34</td>
<td>3</td>
<td>$18M</td>
<td>$6M</td>
<td>88</td>
<td>101</td>
<td>74.286</td>
<td>A</td>
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<td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Chone Figgins</td>
<td>32</td>
<td>4</td>
<td>$36M</td>
<td>$9M</td>
<td>108</td>
<td>82</td>
<td>73.684</td>
<td>A</td>
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<td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Pedro Feliz</td>
<td>35</td>
<td>1</td>
<td>$4.5M</td>
<td>$4.5M</td>
<td>81</td>
<td>81</td>
<td>60.440</td>
<td>NC</td>
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<td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Garrett Atkins</td>
<td>30</td>
<td>1</td>
<td>$4.5M</td>
<td>$4.5M</td>
<td>66</td>
<td>96</td>
<td>57.143</td>
<td>NC</td>
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<td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Second basemen</td>
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<td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Freddy Sanchez*</td>
<td>32</td>
<td>2</td>
<td>$12M</td>
<td>$6M</td>
<td>96</td>
<td>78</td>
<td>70.046</td>
<td>B</td>
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<td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Marco Scutaro</td>
<td>34</td>
<td>2</td>
<td>$12.5M</td>
<td>$6.3M</td>
<td>111</td>
<td>88</td>
<td>83.069</td>
<td>A</td>
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<td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">* extension</td>
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<p>As the data shows, a younger <strong>Chone Figgins</strong> received the largest contract in AAV terms, despite having a lower Elias ranking than <strong>Placido Polanco</strong>. The latter received a three-year deal with the same AAV as DeRosa.</p>
<p><strong>Marco Scutaro</strong> received only a slightly higher contract from Boston than DeRosa but like Figgins, also cost a first-round draft pick in compensation. Though not a free agent, <strong>Freddy Sanchez</strong> signed a two-year extension that is identical in value to his new Giants teammate DeRosa. It is also interesting that Sanchez’ Elias score is almost the same as DeRosa’s.</p>
<p>Two lesser third basemen, <strong>Garrett Atkins</strong> and <strong>Pedro Feliz</strong>, each settled for $4.5 million for 2010.</p>
<p>Further, I went back a year to last winter and pulled the same kind of data, though I could locate fewer comparable free agents in 2008-2009.</p>
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<col style="width: 20pt;" width="27"></col>
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<td style="width: 30pt;" width="40">2009</td>
<td style="width: 20pt;" width="27"></td>
<td style="width: 38pt;" width="50"></td>
<td style="width: 32pt;" width="43"></td>
<td style="width: 32pt;" width="43">2008</td>
<td style="width: 32pt;" width="43">2007</td>
<td style="width: 37pt;" width="49">2008</td>
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<td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Third basemen</td>
<td>Age</td>
<td>Years</td>
<td>Total</td>
<td>AAV</td>
<td>OPS+</td>
<td>OPS+</td>
<td>Elias</td>
<td>Type</td>
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<td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Casey Blake</td>
<td>35</td>
<td>3</td>
<td>$17.5M</td>
<td>$5.8M</td>
<td>113</td>
<td>103</td>
<td>72.571</td>
<td>B</td>
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<td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Ty Wigginton</td>
<td>31</td>
<td>2</td>
<td>$6M</td>
<td>$3M</td>
<td>128</td>
<td>106</td>
<td>55.429</td>
<td>NC</td>
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<td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Second basemen</td>
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<td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Orlando Hudson</td>
<td>31</td>
<td>1</td>
<td>$3.4M</td>
<td>$3.4M</td>
<td>107</td>
<td>105</td>
<td>80.357</td>
<td>A</td>
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<td style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Felipe Lopez</td>
<td>29</td>
<td>1</td>
<td>$3.5M</td>
<td>$3.5M</td>
<td>93</td>
<td>75</td>
<td>50.824</td>
<td>NC</td>
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<p><strong>Casey Blake</strong> received three years from the Dodgers with an AAV near $6 million. His age and OPS+ numbers were comparable to DeRosa’s and his Elias ranking last year was slightly higher. Like DeRosa, Scutaro, Figgins and Polanco, Blake can play multiple positions defensively.</p>
<p>Other comps from last year settled for lower dollar amounts.</p>
<p>My conclusion from this quick review of the data is that DeRosa seems to be paid about right. He might have been able to argue for $7 million per season, but not much more, in my opinion.</p>
<p>At this point, one can only speculate why the Cardinals didn’t make that kind of offer or if so, why it wasn’t accepted and DeRosa is now a Giant instead.</p>
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