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Cardinals 2015 World Series Odds Open at 2014 Worst Point

Oddsmaker bovada.lv is the early bird, sending out 2015 World Series odds the morning after the 2014 Series concluded.

The St. Louis Cardinals are in the third tier of clubs, tied with the current champion San Francisco Giants at 12/1.

Apparently the failed teams from the first round of the 2014 post-season are expected to improve. The 2015 co-favorites are the two losing teams in the 2014 National League Division Series, the Los Angeles Dodgers and Washington Nationals, at 15/2. In between are the two 2014 American League DS losers, the Detroit Tigers and Los Angeles Angels, at 10/1.

Odds to win the 2015 World Series as of 10/30/14
Los Angeles Dodgers 15/2
Washington Nationals 15/2
Detroit Tigers 10/1
Los Angeles Angels 10/1
San Francisco Giants 12/1
St. Louis Cardinals 12/1
Kansas City Royals 16/1
Seattle Mariners 18/1
Baltimore Orioles 20/1
Oakland Athletics 20/1
Pittsburgh Pirates 20/1
Atlanta Braves 22/1
Boston Red Sox 22/1
New York Yankees 22/1
Cleveland Indians 25/1
Cincinnati Reds 33/1
Tampa Bay Rays 33/1
Texas Rangers 33/1
Toronto Blue Jays 33/1
Chicago White Sox 40/1
Milwaukee Brewers 40/1
New York Mets 40/1
Chicago Cubs 50/1
Miami Marlins 50/1
San Diego Padres 66/1
Philadelphia Phillies 75/1
Arizona Diamondbacks 100/1
Colorado Rockies 100/1
Houston Astros 100/1
Minnesota Twins 100/1

Interestingly, 15/2 also happened to be the lowest odds placed on the World Series title chances of the 2014 Cardinals. That occurred twice – as spring training ended and again in the third week of September as the Cards made their late-season surge to take the NL Central Division.

The highest odds placed on the 2014 club occurred just three weeks earlier, at 12/1 – the same odds initially assigned to the 2015 Cardinals’ chances.

Cardinals to win 2014 World Series Odds Regular season wins
March 5 8/1
March 28 15/2 90.5
May 1 10/1
June 1 9/1
July 16 10/1
August 1 11/1
September 1 12/1
September 22 15/2
September 29 8/1

(green = lower odds, red = higher odds compared to prior period)

Also note in the table above that the over/under on the number of regular season wins as spring training closed was 90.5 games. The team went on to win 90.

As the free agent season gets underway and of course, as bets are placed, the 2015 odds will shift and shift again. I will present periodic updates as warranted.

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24 Responses to “Cardinals 2015 World Series Odds Open at 2014 Worst Point”

  1. blingboy says:

    The last paragraph prompted me to see what MLBTR was saying about this winter’s FA market. Tim Dierkes, the creator/top guy at that site has his top 50 FAs with predictions and possible teams with interest. The Cardinals do not appear a single time as a possible destination of any of the top 50.

    Although this Dierkes guy does not have a baseball background other than as a fan, it seems like the site does a good job of accumulating word on the street reported elsewhere and keeping an ear to the ground/twitterverse. So if any knowledgeable source thought there was any likelihood of the Cards being interested in any of these guys it seems likely it would be reported.

    Also, somewhere on that site Neshek was predicted to get 2/10. Not out of the realm of possibility for the Cardinals. We let Mujica walk to take 2/9.5, I believe, but Neshek’s late fade was nowhere near as catastrophic. Also, the article looked at his last three seasons, pointing out that it is not a case of just one super year with nothing backing it up. I do agree that he is at a point in his career where he needs to get all he can wherever that may take him.

    • crdswmn says:

      No point in spending any money on a player that Matheny is just going to refuse to play.

      Make Matheny sink or swim with the “family” he has. Then, if he sinks, fire his sorry butt.

      • blingboy says:

        You never know who Mike is going to play or not until he does or doesn’t. I agree that spending a bunch on a guy, not knowing if Mike will sit him on the bench or not is a risky move by Mo. If, for example, Mo brings in a guy to add to the RF scrum, and if that guy outplays the other contenders in spring training, Mike will still likely platoon him with lesser guys he likes.

  2. Bw52 says:

    Matheny will do what he whats.I sure as hell don`t agree with all his choices but there is nothing I can do about them.We as fans just have to grin and bear it .We can boo or gripe but MM will still be MM.This will be a very interesting offseason since Mo has said Cards could use a RH power bat who can play 1B to spell Adams.A better3B option to spell Carpenter instead of DD.A better backup Catcher and maybe a couple of RH arms for the bullpen since several are raw (Sam Tuivailala,Rondon,Fornataro) or injury(Butler).The only sold RH guys are Carlos Martinez -who will be a SP in ST- and Seth Maness.Cards have several lhp options.

  3. Bw52 says:

    October 21 Post -Dispatch.Matheny and Mo discuss roster.
    “Marco Gonzales and Carlos Martinez will be prepped as starters for Spring training”

    later in the same article
    Bullpen- Seth Maness or Carlos Martinez are expected to inherit the 8th inning setup role”

    So it looks like Martinez will be used wherever most needed.Article said swingman role is still in the air.

  4. Bw52 says:

    Starters
    Wainwright
    Lynn
    Miller
    Wacha
    Lackey
    C. Martinez
    M. Gonzales
    Cooney NRI
    Lyons

    Cards really do have several pitching questions this offseason along with improving the bench,backup C,RH bat with pop who can play 1b-3b .Still even as things are now Cards still have to be division favorite.
    Reds too many soso starting pitchers and not enough money,injury prone big dollar guys
    Pirates-might lose Russell Martin in Free agency,
    Brewers-blew their shot this year
    Cubs-Joe Maddon is good manager but until pitching gets better and kids prove they can produce daily the Cubs are just a pretender

    didn`t even count Jaime Garcia.So Cards

  5. Brian Walton says:

    My guess is that if any of the kids crack the rotation, it will be Marco. I think Martinez is stuck in the pen, like Rosenthal.

  6. Bw52 says:

    MLBtraderumors says Cards lost Eric Fornataro to Washington on waivers today.

  7. Bw52 says:

    Cards getting a bit thin with RHP for the pen.
    Maness
    C. Martinez-maybe
    Rondon-1 inning
    Butler-coming off injury
    Tuivailala-barely a inning
    very thin RHp bullpen.

  8. JumboShrimp says:

    2014 has served up its share of downers:
    Wacha incurs an unusual shoulder injury and is a question mark for 2015.
    The most highly rated prospect in many a year dies in a car accident.
    Wainwright has a scope and his 2015 status is a bit iffy.

    There were very fine things during the 2014 season too, but the Wacha and Oscar problems cast an overall pall.

    • JumboShrimp says:

      Two more downers were the slump of 2013 star Allen Craig and the need to trade fireballer Joe Kelly, both of whom liked playing for the Birds.
      Another downer is emergent doubt in the tactical commonsense of and handling of pitchers by Madcap Mike.

  9. crdswmn says:

    I am very pessimistic about 2015.

    • JumboShrimp says:

      Pessimism is somewhat in order. We just lost to the Giants and then our best hitting prospect died. A terrible ending to a long hard, low offense season. Even though there were some positives too, players and team management, fans, everyone needs an off season therapeutic break from baseball turned bitter.

    • blingboy says:

      Its November, jeesh. Lets see what happens this winter at least.

    • CariocaCardinal says:

      unless the pitching goes south there is no reason to be pessimistic – we have already proven that we can win with a weak offense. There is actually ample reason to believe that barring trades the pitching could even be stronger next year. but if being pessimistic makes yu happy like it does bw52 be my guest.

  10. Bw52 says:

    Actually being realistic-Cards do have several questions
    1.Wainwrights elbow
    2.Wacha
    3.Yadi`s health
    4.RH bullpen after Maness
    5. LH bullpen
    6.Bench
    7.Matt Adams inability to hit lefties consistently
    8.RF

    in spite of these questions IMO the Cards are still the best in the Division.Cards still maintain a solid core of mostly young players mixed with veterans.

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