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Cardinals run-scoring in consecutive innings

Many St. Louis Cardinals fans had to be encouraged by the club’s consistent offensive output Monday night at Busch Stadium. The hitters battered Colorado pitching on the way to a 9-3 final score. The primary damage was inflicted during the fifth through eighth frames as the Cards crossed the plate each frame, scoring seven runs.

I have no idea if registering one big scoring inning is any better or worse than the drip-drip-drip of hanging a row of non-zero numbers next to one another.

Still, I was curious about the latter. How often recently have the Cardinals scored in at least four consecutive innings? Researcher Tom Orf looked up the data for 2011 and 2012 to date.

It occurred three prior times this season and five times last year. Not surprisingly, St. Louis won each game. At least two of them were huge wins.

The five in 2011 included two games on MLB’s biggest stage, the World Series. The last time that season the Cards scored in four consecutive innings was from the eighth through the 11th inning in Game Six, the classic Freese Game.

In Game Three of the 2011 Fall Classic, St. Louis had plated runners in six consecutive frames, the longest showing during the period. Another best is the first four innings of that scoring having been made up of crooked numbers.

2012 Gm Inning 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 R H E Opp. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 R H E
#23 @ StL 1 0 0 1 4 1 3 0 x 10 13 0 Pit 0 0 2 0 0 0 2 3 0 7 9 4
#28 StL 2 1 1 2 0 1 0 1 0 8 11 0 @ Hou 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 8 1
#74 StL 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 4 2 8 12 0 @ Fla 0 0 1 0 1 0 4 0 0 1 7 11 3
#80 @ StL 1 0 1 0 3 1 2 1 x 9 10 0 Col 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 1 3 11 1
2011 Gm Inning 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 R H E Opp. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 R H E
#12 StL 2 6 1 3 3 0 0 0 0 15 17 2 @ Ari 0 0 0 2 3 0 0 0 0 5 10 1
#15 StL 0 0 1 1 3 1 0 1 2 9 13 0 @ LAD 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 2 9 1
#64 StL 1 0 0 0 0 5 1 1 1 9 11 0 @ Hou 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 2 7 1
WS-3 StL 1 0 0 4 3 4 2 1 1 16 15 0 @ Tex 0 0 0 3 3 0 1 0 0 7 13 3
WS-6 @ StL 2 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 2 2 1 10 13 3 Tex 1 1 0 1 1 0 3 0 0 2 0 9 15 2

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74 Responses to “Cardinals run-scoring in consecutive innings”

  1. blingboy says:

    On the subject of scoring in consecutive innings, I have attempted in the past to discover the longest ‘picket fence’ ever. A team scoring a single run in consecutive innings in a single game. Perhaps Mr. Orf could tackle the question some day.

  2. WesPowell says:

    Tonight’s game marks the official halfway point of the season. The Craig-Holliday-Molina-Beltran-Freese connection has a total of 72 homers and 250 RBIs or an average of 14.4 homers and 50 RBIs per guy. And due mostly to Craig, their average at bats are only 252 ( Craig’s numbers are outrageous considering 152 at bats).

    Pretty impressive numbers.

    Tonight Freese needs 2 RBIs to hit half a hundred at the halfway point, Molina needs 5, and Craig needs 7.

    Can all 3 do it? Mark Whiten says if one guy can get 12 RBIS in a game then 3 guys can get 14.

  3. WesPowell says:

    I’m also prepared to give the team my grade at the midway point one game ahead of time.

    I simply have to include last year in this year’s grade.

    A few years ago it was quite evident that the Carpenter-Wainwright combo was our most impressive item for the immediate future. More so than even Pujols. Here you may well have 70 starts and 450 innings of high quality pitching in a season. With both prospective Cy Young candidates.

    If someone had told me on the final day of the 2010 season that Wainwright would miss the 2011 season and Carpenter miss a gigantic chunk of 2012, and futhermore that the year Wainwright missed Carpenter would start 1-7 and have 4 wins at mid-season, and the year Carpenter was hurt, Wainwright would have nearly a 5 ERA at mid-season, I would have been rather pessimistic despite my optimistic nature. Actually it would have been realistic, not pessimistic, to have taken those facts in advance with some serious doubts. Particularly taking into account Pujols departing before this year, along with the Carpenter lengthy DL situation.

    Instead we got a world championship the first year and now this year are in the hunt halfway through.

    That makes the team grade an A in my humble opinion. An A for the entire time combined and for both years individually.

    There’s no way we could have asked for more. There’s no way we could have anticipated what we got. Any rational person would have expected much less.

    • Brian Walton says:

      Including last year in this year’s grade? Should we include 2006 as well?

    • blingboy says:

      Given the defensive issues of last year, I’m glad that the Cards have allowed the fewest unearned runs in the NLC so far this year. And that is one area the team did not slide in June.

      The Cards lead the division in batting average, runs, RBIs, and OPS, even though the Pirates scored more runs in June than anybody else in MLB.

      The pitching side is less impressive, middle of the pack mostly. ERA and Whip, third out of six. Surely it is no coincidence that we are also third of six in the standings, with the same two teams that lead in pitching leading in the standings.

  4. WesPowell says:

    I will add one qualifier however. We have scored 404 runs to date. We need one run or more tonight to average 5 runs a game for the first half. If we get shutout tonight the first half average drops to 4.99 which is intolerable, and my grade will drop to a B plus.

  5. Bw52 says:

    Seems Carpenter finished for 2012 now.2013 a large if.For my 2 cents worth it seems the Chris Carpenter era is finished in STlouis.

    • Brian Walton says:

      Why do you think Carp is done for 2013 as well? Other pitchers have returned from this malady. Carp has shown resiliency in the past coming back from serious injury. My bet is that he does not want to go out this way.

      • crdswmn says:

        There is an exaggerated pessimism about all things injury related with many Cardinals fans. Probably stems from past history with the club and some of its failure with regard to the medical staff and transparency about injuries. Many people are assuming (without any medical knowledge) that losing a rib means he can’t pitch anymore. It’s not a fair comparison, but I have a cousin who had a rib removed for a different medical reason and he has had no adverse affects from it whatsoever and he is a very physically active person.

        I tend to just take a wait and see attitude about these sorts of things and avoid making predictions, either positive or negative.

      • Bw52 says:

        Because its not just routine surgery and Carp uisn`t 21 anymore

    • JumboShrimp says:

      This kind of surgery is not routine. Carpenter’s playing days may be over. Or they may not. At this point, its unclear. He would not proceed with surgery, if there were little hope of improvement thereafter.

      This surgery involves acceptance of some risks, the reason why he declined surgery in 2008. Carpenter has earned a vast amount of money already and given his all, probably our best pitcher since Gibson. Its entirely alright with me if Carp were to call it quits at this juncture and just retire.

  6. WesPowell says:

    Even if Carpenter is done for good, we can all take that game 5 against the Phillies and the game 7 against the Rangers to our graves with content.

    • Brian Walton says:

      Agreed. Plus game 162 in Houston was also huge. Considering all, Carp was the biggest difference between making it and not, IMO. The rainout that allowed him to come back for Game 7 after pitching Game 5 was also most fortunate as was the Braves tanking to conclude the regular season.

    • Nutlaw says:

      Yup. It was clear last postseason that they were going to burn up Carpenter to win that title. I said at the time that if he never pitched again that it would be worth it.

      I mean, it stinks that it hurts this year’s team, but you can’t win every year.

  7. WesPowell says:

    Oh I almost forgot. I wanted to hand out kudos to the Pirates. They damn near swept us at our place.
    They are hanging tough going into the all-star break. They have a an almost forgotten tradition now and I know their lifelong fans have suffered for quite some time now.
    Best wishes to Pittsburgh to stay in it all the way.

  8. JumboShrimp says:

    Who is Barrett Browning’s number one fan? I think its me, unless its Wesley. It can be hard to remember which one of us is which.

  9. JumboShrimp says:

    Good job by the rook, Kelly. 6 innings, 2 earned runs. Impressive. If Colvin can reach out and pull an outside pitch, you have to tip your cap.

  10. JumboShrimp says:

    A game to vex a saint.

  11. blingboy says:

    The Rox proved that JoeKelly is no Jamie Moyer. :)

    Overall, a nice job by both Kelly and the pen. I can find nothing at all wrong with Mighty Joe, He is certainly not costing us games. He walked 4, but only the one hurt, and Yadi’s error contributed to that. Kelly did an impressive job after the homer. He loaded them up again, and it could have gotten bad but he kept his cool and got out of it without further damage.

    And Browning snapped off a slider that broke so sharp Yadi just got it in the web. I wonder if he can do that on command? Yadi will find out.

    Its funny that while Mo is no doubt furriously beating the bushes for pitching, we lose because the O gets smoked by the most hideous pitching staff of all time. Baseball is like that.

    Meanwhile, we’re only 2 1/2 out.

  12. JumboShrimp says:

    Through 3 innings over 2 appearances, Barrett Browning is working on a perfect game. No hits and no walks.

    • JumboShrimp says:

      Who wants Tallet, Trevor Miller, or JC Romero back, instead of Browning?

    • blingboy says:

      Jumbo, I am trying to come up with the reason why it was good to try Fick and Freeman before Browning. I’d appreciate a little enlightenment from the master.

      • Brian Walton says:

        I certainly have never been mistaken for Jumbo, but the answer is simple. Guys on the 40-man from within the system vs. a guy who wasn’t and wasn’t.

      • JumboShrimp says:

        Freeman can throw a fastball 93+, unlike Browning, but needs to improve off-speed pitches. Freeman was added to the 40 man last fall, since he has some promise. He needs a lot of work at AAA to improve breaking pitches. He is not ready for the Show right now.
        The Cards get a mixed grade for Browning. They smartly recognized he was better than his Salt Lake City inflated ERA of last season, so drafted him away from the Angels (to punish them for wooing Albert, hah). Given we needed more AAA lefties, the Birds were smart to draft Browning. Why Browning did not get promoted a few weeks earlier is not so smart. It seems like the Cards had to be humiliated at home by the Friday night loss to the Pirates to get off the dime and bring up Browning and Cleto, who had the best WHIPs among Memphis hurlers.
        If Salas can be effective, as last night, and Rzepcynski can get himself back together, two big ifs, the bullpen can be good.

        • blingboy says:

          Thanks Jumbo, that settles it my mind. I can get down to enjoying the holiday without that question nagging at me. Have a great holiday yourself.

          It will be interesting to see what happens when McClellan is ready.

          • WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

            He “needed” the TJ. They weren’t going to sign him in 2013 anyway. They shelfed him. His statement about rehab where he doesn’t know what he will do the last two weeks of his 60 day time tells all. He is trying to help Mo trade him. They are trolling. He needs to be under contract somewhere so he can get paid for his down time and year long rehab. Its not going to be here.

            As Matheny sinks deeper into “inadequacy” ……….and he is……….. who can say what they will do……. as he shrinks………guys like McGwire show more of an footprint…….. you get a team full of HR hitters……. always handy……… in fairness, Furcal is the only guy who seems to have adjusted his approach……. Molina/s AB’s yesterday were embarrassing ………. the lack of focus from above is now changing the demeanor of some of the players………. Holiday begins to “scarily” look like AP, feasting on the his own teams struggles……… Skip is on the block with Green…… Descalso is just doing what McGwire allows………….. baffling ……… we have no role players ……….. none……except frustrated sluggers that is………..there’s a long line for that part…….

            • blingboy says:

              So the moral of the story is it helps to be a Berkman rather than a McClellan?

              I agree Matheney is small at the moment. There is nothing to be pointed at and called impressive. But don’t count him out. His role was defined for him before he signed up, and he is playing the part. Playing it well most likely. For now.

              He will be washing Lance’s car and shining his shoes. Secretly, of course.

              Mo is smart not to be hasty about moving the cheap young stuff just yet. He knows that Mike will have opened his bottom drawer and discovered the shoe shine kit and the car wax.

              It will make a great movie some day.

            • JumboShrimp says:

              Stay cool and cheer up, Westy, your brain is over-heating, Matt is starting to look like Albert inside your mind. It must be “scary” how you see things. Whew.
              With this heat wave, drink plenty of cool juices. Stay in an air conditioned room or if you do not have an air conditioner, go down to the basement. We all want you to get through this ordeal.

  13. crdswmn says:

    I will be at the game tonight, braving the heat. Let’s hope I can bring us a win.

  14. blingboy says:

    Rosenthal points out that unlike last year, when two draft picks apiece for Jackson and Dotel helped make the Rasmus trade a appealing to the Cards, the new CBA doesn’t provide draft picks for departing rentals. That changes the landscape, he says. IMO, it makes rental types less valuable to the team wanting to trade them, since they are worth less to the recieving team. Good news, perhaps.

    We’ll have to see how Mo handles the new conditions.

    He also mentions the Cards have $20M+ coming off the books next year for Berkman and Lohse. Also says Greinke would like to come to STL and sign a long term deal.

    I’ll bet he would.

    Rosenthal says it is unclear if the Brewers would trade him in the NLC. Unsaid is whether Mo would send hot prospects to an NLC rival. Also unsaid is that Lohse might want to stay and Mo might want to keep him.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Chris-Carpenter-St-Louis-Cardinals-John-Mozeliak-Peter-Bourjos-Colby-Rasmus-070312

    • blingboy says:

      Rosenthal:

      “The Cardinals have prospects to spare. They’re shedding payroll. And their GM is bold enough to make major moves.

      Can’t wait to see what they come up with.”

      Me too.

      • JumboShrimp says:

        Rasmus had exhausted his welcome and Jay could replace him, so this addition by subtraction trade was not hard to make. It was also not difficult to trade for Holliday, because Billie Beane over-rated Brett Wallace.

        However, in 2012 the Cards have some strong talents in their minors. Mo may prefer to keep them, rather than do another give away of Chris Perez for a soon to be injured 3rd baseman, as during 2009.

  15. blingboy says:

    One in the filter.

  16. JumboShrimp says:

    Good trade by the Astros. They get rid of Carlos Lee who is useless and get a good defensive 3Bman and a little lefty pitcher. No downside for the Astros to this deal.

    • blingboy says:

      “The move paves the way for Brett Wallace to be called up from Triple-A Oklahoma City and finish the year at first base. Wallace has been putting up big numbers in the Minors and performed well in 11 games with the Astros earlier this month, hitting .333 with two homers and four RBIs. ”

      http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120704&content_id=34454810&vkey=news_hou&c_id=hou

      • JumboShrimp says:

        Luhnow seems really lucky on this one. Lee is a stiff, so Luhnow moves him to 1B, reasonable. Lee has a mediocre year, but there are still teams willing to trade for him. This is astounding. After Lee screwed up the Dodgers deal, Luhnow must have been delighted to be offered two prospects for a few months of Lee. Blam, he pulls the trigger, they yank Lee off the field in the 7th inning, no hemming and hawing about whether he is willing to accept a trade, he is out the door. The Astros get a good defensive 3Bman in Dominguez and a lefty from UCLA, Rasmussen, both of whom Luhnow will know from his talent scouting days. They may not turn out to be stars, but the Astros got something for nothing (Carlos Lee). Gosh knows what the Marlins are thinking.

        • Brian Walton says:

          I don’t see it that way at all. Lee isn’t having a good season, but is a proven MLB hitter. If the Astros are paying all of Lee’s salary, the cost in prospects was not high, so finding a home seemed pretty easy. The trade deadline is still almost four weeks in the future so it isn’t like they were out of time.

          For Miami, Gaby Sanchez has been a major disappointment at 1B, so the Fish made a move to try to improve their team this season. They have only four fewer wins than StL at this point.

          Lee had a partial no trade clause. He could block the Dodgers deal, but not a trade to the Marlins so there was nothing to hem and haw about. If he wants to be paid, he moves.

          • blingboy says:

            It could be seen as the Astros buying prospects. $9M and the draft pick(s) the Astros would have gotten for a good glove no stick AAA 3B and a rather ho-hum prospect level ML lefty. They also get a chance to take another good look at Wallace, which is surely something they wanted to get done this year.

          • JumboShrimp says:

            The Astros were pathetic during 2011. A new owner selected Luhnow for a major rebuild. One millstone weighing down the Strohs was slow moving, overpaid Carlos in LF. One of Luhnow’s first decisions was to get Carlos parked at 1B where he does less damage defensively.
            Lee has to be one of the worst hitters at first this season. ML average at 1B has to be above 800 OPS, if not 900. Carlos is post-peak, on the downhill slide, he may retire, because his earning power via a new contract next year would be low.
            No team is going to shoulder the residue of Lee’s infamous contract. The Astros mut pay it off. The only question is whether the Astros can get anything for paying Carlos to leave town. Dominguez is a very fine defender; since defense is important at 3B, this makes him valuable in future. Rasmussen is small, but was a supplemental first rounder; its nice to stock up on southpaws. Thus, the Astros turned a financial millstone and below average player into two guys who will probably help in a couple of years. The reason Luhnow traded Lee now is this deal is way too good for the Astros to delay. Luhnow still has Wandy and Myers to trade later in July. Jettisoning Carlos is one to put in the win column asap.

            • JumboShrimp says:

              The Astros will obtain up to 12 years of team control over Dominquez and Rasmussen, should they reach the majors. They got this 12 years of control by sacrificing 3 months of Carlos Lee’s subpar performance for a team that is not a contender, so is actually giving up nothing. Its highway robbery.

              • blingboy says:

                So instead if using $9M to pay Carlos, they use it to buy two prospects. I agree it is a better use of the money.

                • JumboShrimp says:

                  bling, the Astros are going to pay Carlos the final $9MM of his monster contract, whether they get a prospect or do not get a prospect. Surprisingly, however, they obtained two.

                  • blingboy says:

                    I would much rather get two prospects for my $9M instead of three months of Carlos’s services. The prospects do not have to be all that great for it to be a better use of the money.

                    Carlos may help the fish make the postseason, but he was of no use to the Astros.

                  • JumboShrimp says:

                    So what is in the Lee deal for the Marlins, who come to St Louis tomorrow?? What could possess the Marlins to give up two high draftees for 3 months of tubby Lee?

                    Carlos Lee is from Panama. He played for Ozzie Guillen when they were with the White Sox in 2004. The Marlins are hoping post-peak players like Carlos Zambrano and Lee will be reborn in Miami and with Ozzie.

                    They have a new stadium. They splurged on some free agents. They must not want it to all come crashing down like a flaming Hindenberg. The Marlins need help now, like the Cards did in 2009 when they traded Chris Perez to the Indians. The Marlins are willing to overpay, because their need is right now.

                    Jeff Luhnow is in a strong position. He is going to be paying Carlos no matter what, his team is going absolutely nowhere. He needs to rebuild for the long term and trades are one mechanism to restock. If the Marlins want Lee, praise the Lord, they have to pay in prospects. .

                    • blingboy says:

                      Let us hope Ozzie has nothing good to say about Noriega.

                      Perhaps we will see Carlos at Busch in October.

  17. WesPowell says:

    I’m watching a documentary on George Washington. What an amazing journey, then to now. Those early dudes were not Gods, but they were strong.

    I wonder if they had failed where we would be right now, baseball-wise. Or would it be cricket or something else.

    I’m glad they were successful.

  18. blingboy says:

    Lots of smoke, little fire so far. Same old, same old. No clutch hitting. C’mon you guys.

  19. crdswmn says:

    I got in pretty late last night. After the game I spent an hour waiting at the Busch Stadium Metrolink station. Because of people leaving the fair, every westbound train that came into the station was jam packed full. Big crowd of people trying to get out of downtown from Busch. Finally, an empty train was backed in to the station to try to relieve some of the back log. I was able to get on that train and finally made it home around 1:30 am.

    I had pretty good seats on the third base line, but there was a guy across the aisle from me directly in my sight line to home plate who spent almost the entire game, perched on the edge of his seat, playing with his phone. He blocked my view completely, so I had to sit on the edge of my seat to take pictures at home plate. I will never understand why people spend the money to come to a game, and then barely watch the game. When the guy wasn’t playing with his phone he was talking to everyone around him. It’s always frustrating taking pictures because people walk up and down the aisles constantly or stand up and block my view while they get in and out of their rows. I must be in the minority of people, because once the game starts, I never leave my seat until it’s over.

    Anyway, rant over, here are my pictures.

    https://picasaweb.google.com/111205811395517988427/CardinalsVRockies?authkey=Gv1sRgCJrK_6OuxYTtNQ

    • Brian Walton says:

      Too bad they didn’t anticipate the crowds by adding more trains. Not like the downtown events were unplanned.

      • crdswmn says:

        Yes, there was a lot of mumbling about that in the crowd. The PA announcer kept saying the trains were running every 6 minutes, but they weren’t. The game and the fireworks were over close to the same time, so everyone was trying to get out of downtown at the same time. It was a mess.

        • crdswmn says:

          When I finally got back to my car at about 11 pm I turned the radio on to KMOX and they were saying the parking garages around Busch could not empty at all because of the traffic. People had been sitting in their cars in the garage for an hour.

          • blingboy says:

            Enjoyed the pictures, as always. I too have gotten caught up by one of those metrolink overloads after the riverfront fireworks a few years ago. I was trying to get on ‘upstream’ at lacledes landing. People were walking across the Eades Bridge walkway to get ahead of the crowd by boarding in Illinois.

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