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What should the Cardinals do with non-tender decisions?

Players with between almost three and less than six years of Major League service time are eligible to have their salaries for the next season decided through an arbitration process as defined in the labor agreement between players and owners.

Before this gets underway, clubs have a decision to make. Teams must specifically decide if they want enter the process by an annual deadline. The alternative is that the player will be granted free agency. This year’s cutoff is midnight Eastern time tonight, Monday, December 12.

The St. Louis Cardinals have four eligible players, pitchers Kyle McClellan and Jason Motte and infielders Skip Schumaker and Ryan Theriot. Each of them might make in the $2-$4 million range next season.

In the polls below, please specify what you think the Cardinals should do. Should they offer contracts to none, all four or something in between?

Further, should the money not spent on Albert Pujols affect the Cardinals’ arbitration decisions on these four? In other words, should the Cardinals be willing to risk spending more on these players because they no longer have Pujols, or do you consider the two to be separate?

What happens next?

If the club agrees by “tendering a contract” by the deadline, the player and team are bound together for the upcoming season. They can either negotiate a contract at any time or participate in an arbitration hearing to be scheduled in February. Each side submits in advance the salary level it believes is fair. If it reaches the hearing stage, one of the two submitted contract amounts will be decided upon by the arbitrators after hearing each side’s case.

If the player is “non-tendered,” he becomes a free agent, eligible to sell his services on the open market to any club, including the Cardinals.

Should the money not spent on Albert Pujols affect these four Cardinals’ arbitration decisions?

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Should the Cardinals tender Jason Motte a contract for 2012?

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Should the Cardinals tender Kyle McClellan a contract for 2012?

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Should the Cardinals tender Ryan Theriot a contract for 2012?

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Should the Cardinals tender Skip Schumaker a contract for 2012?

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78 Responses to “What should the Cardinals do with non-tender decisions?”

  1. Bw52 says:

    PD says Cards near a 2 year deal for Skip Schumaler.Money details unkown right now.

  2. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    This contract will have a good discount value in relationship to Skips numbers ……… it will, like Rafael’s…….become a nice trade chip……….. BD is getting smart…….. its not about baseball…….

    • CariocaCardinal says:

      Skip’s WAR value over the last 2 years was worth about an average of $1 million a year. I doubt there is much of a discount involved.

      • JumboShrimp says:

        $1MM/yr would be a big salary reduction. Advantage Westie.

        • CariocaCardinal says:

          Wrong, advantage Carioca because to be a good discounted value from his numbers it would have to be less than $1 million. But then Westie probably still thinks batting average is a good measure of worth.

          • JumboShrimp says:

            Westie probably meant a salary discounted from Skip’s 2011 salary numbers. The new contract will do this.
            On the other hand, Westie claims Skip is a trading chip. This seems unlikely.

            • WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

              Jumbo………..he gets a little over 1.3/1.6 a year for 2 years……….. for this they attempt to retain the illusions that all of their BB move are about “Cardinal Values”………..only truly recognized by them……………… that is priceless……0 accountability………… somebody will want a “handyman” at some point…….. they may give him away………..should it be thought that he is good enough to play here for a new coach………… thats even a worse sign…………….. but hey……….maybe Marbre has a gift……maybe he makes the all star team…………… BD’s willingness to value appearance over substance is disturbing to me……….. always has been……… its not the end of the world…………. don’t forget…every move we make is a signal to other teams about who we might make available…….. the might have signed him with a trade already in mind??????????? who knows at this point…….. all frames of reference have been distorted now that the weight is gone…………

              • CariocaCardinal says:

                If those are the salary numbers, I can live with that. We won’t choke if we have to eat that.

              • JumboShrimp says:

                In game 5 of the series with the Phillies, Skip got the start in CF and drove in the only and game winning run. In game 7 of the World Series, Skip got the start in CF and we won. Jon Jay was not finding a lot of hits in post-season, so in must win games, TLR went with Skip in CF and Punto at 2B, and it worked out.
                Brian reminded us recently that Skip got the coveted Kile award one year.
                Skip helped recruit Matt Holliday to St Lou and helped bring back Mark McGwire as hitting coach.
                Skip can become the new Corey Patterson, OF backup. Sounds like a good idea by Mo and Mike!!

  3. T8Ball says:

    As assumed, the Cards will receive cash instead of PTBNL to finally finish off the Colby/EJ/Reliever Palooza trade.

    I do wonder how much cash that will be?

    Per MLBtraderumors.com ~

    links from the AL East…

    The Blue Jays have sent the Cardinals cash considerations rather than players to be named later to complete this summer’s Colby Rasmus trade, reports MLB.com Gregor Chisholm (Twitter links). St. Louis was supposed to received three players to be named later in the deal.

  4. T8Ball says:

    Because Carlos Beltran cannot be offered Arbitration (I assume due to his contract?) will the team that signs him be on the hook for their first round pick, assuming their pick isn’t protected?

  5. Bw52 says:

    I wonder what`s happening with Ryan Theriot ?

  6. T8Ball says:

    Wouldn’t you tender KMac and shop him for any kind of value through the beginning of Spring Training?

    Also, why no news of any kind on Motte? Tender him and work out a deal to cover at least two years of his eligibility.

  7. T8Ball says:

    Would any of you sign Michael Cuddyer? Twins offer is 3@24million.

    Westie responded to me the other day with Lozano being Cuddyer’s agent, but everything I’ve see is Casey Close is still his agent.

    • crdswmn says:

      Westie thought Scott Boras was still Beltran’s agent but he switched to Lozano over a month ago. They must be slow getting news out there on the west coast. :)

    • Brian Walton says:

      Not for three years or more and especially not for more than $24 million.

    • WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

      Cuddy has a better swing than most on this team………. that outdoor stadium may be taking its toll… like Punto………he would fair well in St’ Louis……………….. but a message to all here……….. they signed Skip to play the outfield……………there isn’t going to be any “signings” like that………Sober up……
      Brewers signed Aramis………….thats it……….. Fielder goes to the Cubs………….. the 50 games with no Braun will blow their rotation………..game over……..for Brewers……… Cinnci is demoralized………Cubs will dazzle coming up……..they are going to spend a little pretty soon……….. Cardinals will crush this year………….. its going to be like a continuation of September………….

      Pujols has been a victim of sorts………..he still doesn’t understand what happened to him………… he is attempting a disconnect so an early season Cardinal rush and his likely struggles don’t completely crush him…… however that is my prediction……….. he will spend too much time trying to explain his “hall of fame” approach to the Angels staff……….. we will come out smoking……..he will suck……… and possibly not recover………….. injury will likely “occur” to stop the savaging…………but hey….thats just my guess…. it might be the other way around……..he comes out sucking..and we come out smoking…

  8. T8Ball says:

    Terms of Skip’s deal coming shortly, tweets BJ Rains.

    Riot was non tendered

  9. friendmouse says:

    Say what you want, but I’m thrilled that we’ve re-signed Schumaker. He is a GREAT Cardinal, and that includes so much more than what happens between the lines. His versatility makes him more valuable than raw stats might indicate. Most MLB teams would like him on their club. I’m glad he’ll remain on ours.

  10. crdswmn says:

    Skip Schumaker’s deal is 2yr/3M according to Rick Hummel.

  11. crdswmn says:

    The Rockies are making a push for Beltran so the Cardinals chances just went down considerably. This should make WC happy. :)

  12. blingboy says:

    I had completely forgotten about Matt Adams since the Albert announcement. He’s a big winner in this, and can continue his progress without having to do a bad outfielder impersonation. Let’s hope he continues to rake at AAA.

    Another guy that intrigues is Cleto. Lets see what happens there.

    And then there is contract boy Cox. Is he a ML 3b or a Wallace, I’m not clear on that.

    And Matt Carpenter. Last year in Jupiter he stood on his head and got everybody all excited. But he did like Greene when given a look. Maybe post Tony he’ll do better. He and Greene both.

    It would be fun to bring Ludwick back if he does’t find a job soon. He’s a bounceback candidate IMO. Cheap probably.

    Two other things:

    I saw where Ozzie has agreed to show up at sping training, and I think he agreed to do a little work with some of the players. Now, the thing is whether he will don his uni. That would be awesome. Can he still do a back flip?

    Wouldn’t it be within Matheny’s sphere to ask coaches to wear their uni in the dugout during games? Mac’s low key look has gone on long enough. And as long as he had it on, maybe take a few cuts in the cage before home games. Could he put one in Big Mac Land? I’d like to stand up there with one of those nets on a pole like Harry used to have in the booth and try to snag one. I’m sure they wouldn’t allow that.

  13. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    We have a world championship…………. but there remains a “poverty consciousness here”………have you seen Ludwick play?????????????? We need to develop a trade package…….and kick in some Bucks…and get a young talent with a very high end………to play center field ……….. you must look ahead and try to see how the new team might “gel”………. What the F is wrong with Chambers…………looks interesting to me……………. look for Greene to be working out in center field in spring training ……….. I have to believe that he is going to surprise us…………. ………. …………. I have to believe that Mo has been influenced by Tony somewhat…………….. Furcal…Berkman…. are a little weak from the right side…..I was really looking for a RH power bat that could play first……..is that Craig? that may be what they would do………… Bottom line…………….. the Chemistry is going to spring from Holiday and Berkman..with Freese and Craig doing some of the killing/hunting……….lets steal some damn bases, lets get some speed out there…….thats not Beltran………..you all realize that Mo/BD will be “heavily” influencing the lineups……….right…….you see that don’t you???????? We need depth………. a few injuries “like Holiday’s” in going to hurt more than usual…….

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