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Vote for your Cardinals NLDS starting pitchers

With no pitching matchups set, let alone rosters or game times, for the National League Division Series (best of five) between the Philadelphia Phillies and St. Louis Cardinals, let’s use the open day to consider the Cardinals’ potential rotation.

As a reminder, games one and two are in Philadelphia on Saturday and Sunday. Games three and four (if necessary) will be played in St. Louis on Tuesday and Wednesday. If game five is needed, it will be back in Philly on Friday.

Kyle Lohse – Was scheduled to start Thursday’s game 163, if needed. Has the lowest ERA among the Cardinals starters at 3.39. Won at Philly on Monday, September 19 while pitching one of his best games of the year, defeating Roy Halladay. Questions about consistency.

Jaime Garcia – Has been more up and down in the second half and after signing a contract extension. Very good at home (2.55 ERA), but not on the road (4.63). Can be emotional on the mound, not always to his advantage. His most recent start was a four-inning stint on Monday.

Chris Carpenter – Pitched a complete game in Wednesday’s clincher, throwing 106 pitches. Pitching in Sunday’s game two would be on three days rest, but could line him up for a potential deciding game five or game one of the NLCS. Game three on Tuesday would give him five days off.

Edwin Jackson – Arguably the most consistent starter since having joined the team two months ago. Last pitched in relief on Tuesday with his most recent start on Sunday, September 25. A Saturday start would be considered five days rest.

Jake Westbrook – Struggled mightily against Houston on Monday. As the potential number five starter, will he be needed in the rotation in the NLDS? Would he be added to the pen or left off the first-round roster entirely?

In the following polls, you can vote for your preferred starters for the first four games. I am not including game five, as I think that could depend on how the first four games go. Please add your thought process in the comments below.

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Who would you start in game one in Philly on Saturday?

  • Lohse (78%, 114 Votes)
  • Jackson (12%, 17 Votes)
  • Garcia (10%, 16 Votes)

Total Voters: 147

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Who would you start in game two in Philly on Sunday?

  • Jackson (44%, 62 Votes)
  • Carpenter (30%, 43 Votes)
  • Garcia (19%, 27 Votes)
  • Lohse (7%, 9 Votes)

Total Voters: 141

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Who would you start in game three in St. Louis on Tuesday?

  • Carpenter (64%, 90 Votes)
  • Garcia (24%, 34 Votes)
  • Jackson (8%, 11 Votes)
  • Lohse (4%, 5 Votes)

Total Voters: 140

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Who would you start in game four in St. Louis on Wednesday (if needed)?

  • Garcia (45%, 61 Votes)
  • Jackson (24%, 33 Votes)
  • Lohse (21%, 29 Votes)
  • Carpenter (10%, 13 Votes)

Total Voters: 136

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What would you do with Westbrook in the first round?

  • Leave him off the roster (51%, 69 Votes)
  • Use him out of the bullpen (41%, 56 Votes)
  • Consider starting him in game four or five (8%, 10 Votes)

Total Voters: 135

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38 Responses to “Vote for your Cardinals NLDS starting pitchers”

  1. Brian Walton says:

    The P-D is reporting Lohse, Jackson and Carpenter in games 1-3 against Halliday, Lee and Hamels.

  2. T8Ball says:

    Incredible road stats for Jaime vs. home stats.

    wow

    You can’t miss the chance to throw Carp in game 3 either.

  3. T8Ball says:

    Brian……do we know the rosters yet?

  4. Kansasbirdman says:

    Okay, adding to the intrigue, my local news (NBC station- KSN) is saying Garcia is going to pitch game 1. Now, I wouldn’t put money on anything they report, but what’s going on? Are WC and RCW messing with me/us? No one besides CRdswmn is commenting

  5. blingboy says:

    An interesting poll question:

    Would the Cards be the wild card if the Rasmus trade had not happened?

    Speaking of the trade, will we get one or two picks for Jackson?

    Does Greene make the post-season roster? Patterson, Chambers?

    • WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

      I bet there is some negotiating going in right now BB………….. They likely carry an extra pitcher………….in case of a blowout, you can’t weaken the hole staff to cover it without jeopardizing the whole series…………….. Tony has tough calls at second……….as Skip plays outfield too……….how can you bring Chambers………………??? we could use him though………….

      • WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

        If Furcal’s wheels aren’t 100% he is going to be pretty useless against Halladay and Lee……… its time for Patterson to take a walk……….how not? Holiday is going to be sitting as the RH bat…..if at all……..the fantasy of September baseball substitutions is over……..

      • blingboy says:

        I kind of don’t like Descalso’s chances.

    • JumboShrimp says:

      Good questions from Bling.

      1. Absolutely no, the Cards would NOT have made the playoffs would young Colby still in a muddle in search of hitting instruction and “fun.”

      2. I believe we get one pick for Jackson. I suspect Mr. Jackson will be a Type B free agent, but Brian can lurk with eagle eyes and announce whenever he thinks I am wrong (while his own Octavio Dotel jinx will be recorded for posterity as not only creepy and eerie, but risible.)

      3. Greene could hinge on Furcal. No Furcal, maybe Greene makes it as a reserve. Chambers has done a good job, but Patterson outperformed him based on Toronto; my guess would be Corey P gets the nod in a call many fans will question.

      • Kansasbirdman says:

        Jumbo, I took the Dotel jinx story as an esoteric talking point, not as a gloom and doom forecast. True, I am still learning about baseball, but it seems hardcore fans relish the little known stat stuff (I know I am learning a lot and enjoying dropping unique stats and talking points with my Cards fan family when we watch games – esp my younger brother:-) who thinks he’s the family’s biggest Cards fan)

        Plus baseball is full of “curses” and “jinxes” and I appreciate Brian and Mr. Orf’s work in getting us unique stories that go beyond the boring rehashed talking points of the more mainstream sites.

        Now we know that the 2011 Cards broke the “Dotel jinx”! We never would have known that if it wasnt for CNB!

  6. blingboy says:

    Matt and Furcal bunged up complicates things. Carry one less pitcher? I think Westbrook is in. Tony will want to show him the respect and loyalty, and we need a long man not named McClellan.

    My hunch is Greene will make it too, and if so then Skip is available to back up Jay and as an extra OF, so Patterson is superfluous.

    I agree about the trade, Jumbo. On several levels.

    How long would the pen have been effectively short handed with Miller sitting there. Dotel and Rzypychski reenforced the pen in the nick of time. Jackson ate innings and mostly kept us in games, doing more than the fading McClellan would have. Jay’s O and D were both more consistant and reliable than Colby. He did a heck of a job, even with the late fade at the plate. Last couple games he was something in the field.

    As to the prolonged dive the team took after the trade, and then the turn around, I don’t know what to think.

    Couple other things:

    Has there been any news from the Duncan family? With both Dave and Chris missing in action I assume the Mrs. is in a bad way. My thoughts are with them.

    I wonder what will become of PJ Walters.

  7. Brian Walton says:

    Manager Tony La Russa has announced his game 1-3 starters. In a surprise to 70 percent of our voters above (including me), Chris Carpenter will be the game 2 starter in between Kyle Lohse and Jaime Garcia. TLR also announced that Jake Westbrook will be on the roster. Though not announced, it would seem Edwin Jackson will start game four (if needed). As such, I will be closing the polls above.

    • WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

      Predictable…………that Jackson start was a give away……………….. Tony decides to go right after them…………………. the Carp start is not so controversial……….. he won’t throw his median pen….just like the old days………….. if the money is down, he’s liable to start Lohse on short rest with Westbrooke has the back up…….. he will stack Jackson on top of Garcia……….. he is saying.no give aways………… looks like the ouchy wasn’t a breaky………..we’ll see……..must be a positive thing…….

    • RCWarrior says:

      I like it, Jaime is much better at home, Kyle was money last time against Philly and Carp can pitch on one days rest. This pitching staff can hold the Phils down enough for the Cards offense to win this thing. BW is rubbing off on me I’m telling you. :)

      • WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

        Thats for sure RC………… Haladay isn’t going to be as aggressive as he was a few weeks ago……… he will be a bit more cautious…….. you will likely see Craig at 2……..it should be Punto for that very reason…………the best stratagy would be sac bunt up front…bait the Pujol walk…….and let Berkman do his thing………. we need 3 or 4 runs in this one………..if we chase ………. we lose………

        they will be patient……….. Lohse has to depend on the change and slider from the get go…….if they lead……we lose……….they will do every thing they can to get to the Pen,,,,,,,,,, their win streak is only 3 games………. we have to go after them……….if they relax……we’re history…………

        • RCWarrior says:

          If the Cards can score 4 runs a game they sweep. That is my prediction. And I believe they are the better team today. I know everybody says that pitching wins championships but I will go on record that I believe the Cardinals offense will beat the Phils pitching in this series.

      • crdswmn says:

        I heard John Kruk on CNN say that the Cardinals pitching can hold off the Phils offense because the Cards throw a lot of off speed and breaking stuff that the Phils can’t hit.

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