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Before Rzepczynski came Mierkowicz

Last time, we compared the 30-point Scrabble value of Marc “Rzepczynski” to the entire 295-member St. Louis Cardinals system, both major and minor leaguers. “Scrabble” is the undisputed Cardinals champion – at least among the current, active players.

To see how Rzepczynski would stand the test of time, I took on a much greater task – reviewing every player in the history of the major league Cardinals, back to the late 1800s.

I did not expect to find a worthy challenger to the current Cardinals’ “Scrabble,” but it turned out there was one. It wasn’t who I suspected. My favorite coming in, 2005 second baseman Mark Grudzielanek, fell short. He was previously second.

With 30 points, the leader before Rzepczynski since 1950 and now tied with him is Ed Mierkowicz. Never heard of him? Neither had I.

Still alive today at 87 years of age, the outfielder began his career with Detroit in 1945. There, despite appearing in just 10 games at the age of 21, Mierkowicz received a World Series ring. He played in 24 more major league games with the Tigers during the 1947-48 seasons.

Mierkowicz came to the Cardinals organization in 1949 and toiled in the system through 1953. His major league stint with St. Louis was amazingly short, however. On April 19, 1950, he made his one and only appearance in a Cardinals uniform. The pinch-hitter struck out. It was also his final moment as a major leaguer. Mierkowicz bounced around the minor leagues before finishing his career in Mexico in 1957.

Following are the 60 ex-Cardinals whose last names score at least 20 Scrabble points. They would be joined by four current Cardinals: Rzepczynski, Eduardo Sanchez (21 points) plus Adam Wainwright and Skip Schumaker (20 points each).

Top Scrabble points, ex-St. Louis Cardinals, team history

Points Ex-Cardinal (years played)
30 Mierkowicz (1950)
27 Grudzielanek (2005)
26 Grodzicki (1941, 46-7) Hawksworth (2009-10) MacKenzie (1963) Vuckovich (1978-80)
25 Heintzelman (1973-4) Jimenez, Jose (1998-9) Jimenez, Kelvin (2007-8) Quisenberry (1988-9) Schreckongost (1899)
24 Fitzgerald (1988) Higginbotham (1906, 08-9) Zachary (1971)
23 Huntzinger (1926) Woodeshick (1965-67)
22 Drabowsky (1971-2) Faszholz (1953) Jablonski (1953-4, 9) Kuzava (1957) Lewandowski (1951)
Mahaffey (1966) Mollwitz (1919) Raffensberger (1939) Stechschulte (2000-2) Valenzuela, Benny (1958)
Valenzuela, Fernando (1997) Vizcaino (2006)
21 Cavazos (2007) D’Acquisto (1977) Jutze (1972) Sanchez, Orlando (1981-3) Scheffing (1951)
Schultz, Barney (1955, 63-5) Schultz, Buddy (1977-9) Schultz, Joe (1919-24) Tewksbury (1989-94) Zimmerman (1906)
Zmich (1910-1)
20 Bakenhaster (1964) Beauchamp (1963, 70-1) Camnitz (1911) Cannizzaro (1960-1) Falkenborg (2006-7)
Frankhouse (1927-30) Gillpatrick (1898) Griesenbeck (1920) Hazleton (1902) Lowdermilk, Grover (1909-11)
Lowdermilk, Lou (1911) McCarthy (1906) McCormick (1892) Mumphrey (1974-9) Pasquella (1919)
Poholsky (1950-1, 4-6) Schulz, Walt (1920) Shephardson (1924) Simontacchi (2002-4) Hrabosky (1970-7)
Zearfoss (1904-5)

Current Cardinals television broadcaster Al Hrabosky is among those who squeaked in at 20 points. Among the surprising misses are Red Schoendienst, Jason Simontacchi and Jason Isringhausen. The lesson to be learned is that letter quantity does not mean Scrabble scoring quality.

The discovery of Mierkowicz provided a reminder that helped me quickly determine that Rzepcyznski is not the career Major League Scrabble points leader. For example, former Twins (and other clubs) first baseman Doug Mientkiewicz, once known as “Eye Chart,” comes in at 32 points. There are likely others.

Coming up next will be the All-Time Cardinals Scrabble Team.

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65 Responses to “Before Rzepczynski came Mierkowicz”

  1. blingboy says:

    1. Rafael Furcal (S) SS
    2. Jon Jay (L) CF
    3. Albert Pujols (R) 1B
    4. Matt Holliday (R) LF
    5. Lance Berkman (S) RF
    6. Yadier Molina (R) C
    7. Skip Schumaker (L) 2B
    8. Daniel Descalso (L) 3B
    9. Jake Westbrook (R) P

    Tony really likes Furcal and Jay at the top. Maybe Mo is getting his marching orders.

    Changing around the bottom of the order, especially the six spot behind Lance is perplexing. And we’re not going with our best infield defense. Lets see what happens. Lets see if Albert closes on .300/100.

    • T8Ball says:

      Lefties have a better OPS against Hudson by more than .100 pts. this season. Is it the time of year to be playing matchups? No, probably not, but Skip and Descalso probably won’t hurt us either.

      As to Albert, historically both he and Berkman both enjoy success hitting against Hudson ~ 1.200 OPS’ for both.

      2 Ground Ball pitchers, so you expect a ton of grounders today. Which one gives up the most seeing eye singles, and which one leaves a pitch up in the zone at the wrong time?

  2. blingboy says:

    If the Cards decide to sign Furcal over the winter, something else will have to give somewhere. I don’t think it will be Berkman, or Albert of course, so where?

    • Brian Walton says:

      How much are you assuming Furcal would make? I’d only guarantee $2 or $3 million and have him prove he can stay on the field with appearance incentives. He has played 100 games just once in the last four years and is not the player he used to be.

  3. Bw52 says:

    Didn`t RC say a couple of days ago he said around 8 million for Furcal.Way too much IMO.I like Brian`s deal much better.Now to convince Furcal.

    • Brian Walton says:

      No team will pay Furcal $8 million for next season. I would take any bet on that.

      Let him look around and if he can find a better deal, so be it. Here is hoping Mo does not overspend by pursuing him too aggressively. Furcal is not the guy to assume risk on.

    • Nutlaw says:

      I think that he’s been playing too well for the Cardinals to take a huge cut. My entirely uneducated guess would be somewhere around $4-5M guaranteed from some team out there.

      • Brian Walton says:

        Steady glove work, a .245 average and .729 OPS isn’t enough to pay $4-$5M for an aging, injury-prone player. As a historical side point, Ozzie had a .728 OPS his final season when he had been replaced with Royce Clayton. The problem is the Cardinals don’t have a Clayton, at least not yet. I suspect many minds have already been made up about Greene.

        • JumboShrimp says:

          The Cards chose to value Berkman for 2011 at $8MM, the As were willing to give him a 2 year deal at less per annum. Lance would have been labelled as aging, and indeed Brian wondered if he was washed up, during March. This was not irrational. Even I had strong doubts that Lance could survive RF, though I was confident Berkman would play smart and not dive into walls, etc.
          Furcal is probably another guy who is not going to be easy for GMs to price. His agent will argue his time with the Cards shows what he can do when uninjured. A 729 OPS is higher than David Eckstein’s career OPS and we handed him a 3 year deal (albeit a younger Eck).
          After Felipe Lopez was released by the hapless Nationals in July 2008, he excelled the last couple of months of that year with the Cards. IIRC, Felipe ended up signing a 1 year deal for $3.5MM with the Dbacks. That was Felipe’s market value, based on being youngish and have 2 strong months.
          Furcal had a much higher salary, circa $11MM p/yr with the Dodgers, twice Felipe’s apex. Berkman may be a better comp than Felipe for Fucal. A star suffers injuries, then shows flashes of what he can do, when playing for TLR.
          Ozzie is not a useful age comp, since he was about 41, whereas Rafael will be about 35 in 2012, IIRC.
          My guess would be Furcal could command $3MM to $7MM, this winter. His salary will hinge on the state of the economy and the hopefulness among General Managers. How much will they value Furcal’s 2 months renaissance with the Cards? Ozzie Smith’s example shows how a SS with a great work ethic can play into his 40s. Furcal is a kid.

        • Nutlaw says:

          Furcal is only 33 years old, however, and one season removed from an .826 OPS.

          • Brian Walton says:

            Hall of Famer Robbie Alomar’s last good season was at 33 due to injuries. Furcal could be on the same trajectory. You never know, but his last four years causes me concern.

            • blingboy says:

              I guess it all depends on what somebody else might pay for Furcal. Mo will have a lot of pressure to sign him.

              We aren’t going to go with the O for D shortstop strategy again. And Tony doesn’t want a guy he has to hit 8th. He likes Furcal’s D and likes him at the top of the order. So what are the alternatives going to cost?

              Next year is starting to get expensive.

        • blingboy says:

          Furcal’s agent is smart, surely. He will point out that here is a top of the order guy that Tony likes. A top of the order guy Tony trusts to do some running, to make things happen for the big money guys. A shortstop Tony thinks can contribute offensively without sacrificing D up the middle. Not all .245 glove men are equal. I think he’ll make some money and the Cards will be the ones paying it.

          • JumboShrimp says:

            Some insights can be gleaned from history.
            TLR values an established SS. The Cards traded for Clayton in 1996. They traded for Edgar Renteria after he won a World Series with the Marlins.
            Ryan looked pretty good when Eckstein was hurt during 2007. Was he rewarded with the starting job in 2008? No the Cards went for Cesar Izturis, who had played a bit for Sweet Lou and must have come recommended.
            For 2009, the Cards traded for Khalil Greene, coming off a bad season. Mo figured TLR could revive his career. Khalil had gone nuts, proving that veterans are also risky, not just rookies. Ryan got playing time and earned the starting nod for 2010, whereupon he enjoyed a poor hitting, strong fielding season.
            For 2011, the Cards traded for leadoff hitter/SS in Theriot, adding minor league power arm Cleto in exchange for Ryan. Theriot also played SS for Tony’s Tampa bud, Sweet Lou. The Dodgers were looking to dump salary, so Theriot was ours.
            When it turned out the Dodgers were also willing to salary dump Furcal, it was time to find a space on the bench for Theriot.
            My conclusion: SS is a key position for LaRussa.

            • JumboShrimp says:

              It was Clayton for about 3 years, Renteria for about 6, Eckstein for 3.
              Since then, its been Izturis in 2008, K Greene 2009, Ryan 2010, and Theriot/Furcal 2011.

            • Nutlaw says:

              Yech. If SS is a key position for TLR, then he must be crazy to have had that band of misfits manning it during his tenure.

              • JumboShrimp says:

                Walt Jocketty brought in Royce Clayton the same year at TLR, 1996. Tony had managed in Oakland, while Clayton had played a few years with the Giants on the other side of the Bay. A first round draft pick out of a California high school, Clayton enjoyed a long career in the majors, retiring after 2007. In 1996, he would have been about 26 IIRC. So Clayton would have been a big tactical decision by Walt. TLR takes blame for benching Ozzie, but it was really Walt, who had seen enough of Ozzie in 1995 and chose to trade for a young SS.
                Then Walt traded one of his more valuable assets to land Edgar Renteria in about 1999. Edgar was a young star and everything Walt and Tony would have wanted.
                But Edgar hit free agency after 2004 and was lured away by the deep pocketed Red Sox. Walt fought back by signing Eckstein who had been released by the Angels. Eck served 3 years.
                Since 2008, it has been a grab bag year to year: Izturis, Greene/Ryan, Ryan, now Theriot/Furcal.
                The Cards enjoyed long runs at SS. There was Templeton, a terrific hitter and baserunner. He was traded to land Ozzie circa 1982. Smith lasted until 2006. Then Clayton and Renteria, both young. Then Eckstein for 3. Since 2008, its been post-prime Izturis, post-prime Greene, Brendan Ryan, and post-prime Theriot.

  4. Bw52 says:

    Brian-a question for you.Bryan Anderson,Mark Hamilton and Ottavino all will be with the system 6 years now.All have MLB time so will they still be under Cards control or could Anderson and Hamilton be dropped from 40-man roster and would they then become minor league FA`s.Will you do a article on Cards pending minor league FAs soon?

  5. CariocaCardinal says:

    Continuing the discussion from yesterday about Garcia. He definitely sounds a little bitter about being pulled.

    “I thought he was really good early. And he wasn’t as good later. He pitched six? I thought he was really good for two, good for three. The fourth and fifth, he wasn’t quite (as good). And then he got through the sixth.”

    When this rating was presented to Garcia, he said, “If that’s what he thought, that’s what happened then.”

    Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_7eaed044-9817-59af-b410-77186efbf27d.html#ixzz1XfgSsige

    • JumboShrimp says:

      Tony was just saving Garcia for game 1 of the big series in Philly.

    • RCWarrior says:

      I love Jaime and if I was him I would just look at my checkbook every time TLR said something. Because he will outlast TLR is St. Louis. He did mention that TLR was wearing on him one of the last times I spoke with him as he had begun the behind closed doors bashing campaign to go along with the negative comments in the media. I’m sure without Dave as a buffer it has gotten bad for Jaime. He’s a tough kid though and he’ll be good in the long run. He can always go check out the zeros on his contract to ease the pain. :)

      • Bw52 says:

        RCW-I just hope “tough kid” Jaime can get thru the 6th inning on a regular basis.So is Jaime a type who has to be handled with kid gloves? I wonder if all those 5 inning starts wore on the manager and the pitching coach?

        • RCWarrior says:

          This is the problem BW, Any player on that team can handle a tongue lashing from Tony, he is an old man, he’s not some guy you fear, so he bad mouths you in private, makes fun of you in front of your teammates all the time. Mind you this is just the younger guys. They can handle that. They may not like it but they can handle it. But then he takes it to another level if he feels you aren’t succumbing to his authority.

          Where the disconnect comes in is when Tony feels the need to hop in front of a reporter or a TV camera and bad mouth the same guy. The little jabs he takes pisses those guys off worse than you can imagine. ITs not that he said it but its that he feels compelled to say in front of the media. This turns fans, such as yourself against the players that he said it about and believe me the players know it when it happens.

          Skip Schumacher is a hustler no doubt, but I’ll never forget the time last year when Brendan made a DP feed to Skip and the ball was a fudge below his groin area. Skip botched it and everyone who had ever played the game knew Skip botched the play. Tony was asked after the game about the error. He got raging mad and said that Brendan made the error, not Skip. In the days to follow I read 100 times about how Brendan made a bad throw on the play. In other words Tony just put a smear campaign with his comments in order to take the heat off of Skip because Skip is one of his guys.

          In other words Tony felt the need to give a detailed analysis of Jaime’s performance that was not a big deal to you or me but I’m sure that critique went over like a lead balloon with Jaime. Because Jaime knows that Tony would never be as critical of a single performance by Carp like he was with Jaime’s performance. There was no need to make things worse for Jaime by saying it like he said it. His critique will not make Jaime last longer or throw better. It will just make Jaime dislike TLR more. That is never a positive imo.

          • Bw52 says:

            RCW-so is this just TLR`s version of tough love to make the player better or just anger because the player is non performing up to what management thinks they should?
            I guess that means “old school” coaches like Lombardi,Billy Martin etc; would not be liked by this touchy feely generation of athletes.

            • RCWarrior says:

              Have you ever watched Tony in a post game press conference? that is exactly how he speaks to certain players ………all of the time. Heck, I get mad myself just listening to his smart alik answers and the condescending way he talks to people so I know if he was talking to me that way I would have knocked his old ass out. I just don’t think he gets it, he believes he can do and say anything to anybody he wants to, and if you don’t just take that kind of talk then he turns to the media to try to make the fans dislike you.

              Thats not old school coaching. Taking a kid out back and ripping him is old school, grabbing him up is old school, trying to turn others against him is not. Thats just being a prick.

              But I’ve written before that managers will have to approach the kids nowadays differently. The better players won’t produce when getting beaten down. The older players or the overachieving players will allow you to beat them up because they know that they have to take it. The better guys will not keep taking it and will turn on you if you keep it up. All the while their production keeps falling off.

              • Bw52 says:

                RCW-a internet tough now aren`t you. I thought you Southern boys were supposed to have some manners.A while back you said you respected Tony.Now you says he`s being a prick.So which is it? Or is this just a chance to stir the pot with some good ole boy repartee?

                • RCWarrior says:

                  I do respect Tony’s accomplishments. But he is a prick. You’ve never watched him during a post game interview?

                  An internet tough guy? me? Do you know who I am BW? An internet tough guy would be the anonymous type who allows himself to talk big because nobody knows who he is. Whats your real name BW? :)

                  I would think a “southern boy” as you put it would be less apt to allow someone to run over them. I know who Tony is to certain players that play for him so I’m not speculating about any of it. It is fact. I’ve sat and listened to many of those guys just trash him, over and over and over throughout the night.

                  So in short BW, TLR has done a great job over the years of accummulating managerial victories and he has earned everyones respect because of that accomplishment. But as a person I wouldn’t give you nickel for him.

                  • Bw52 says:

                    RCW- Are you oldc enough to remember what the Dodgers players used to call LaSorda-Chief Walking chicken-because he was so full of crap-with his bleeding Dodger BS.Howq many players did Lombardi piss off? Billy Martin? So pl;ayers certainly don`t have to like a manager to produce.Dick Williams and the 1970`s Oakland team are a example of guys who hated the owner and several disliked the manager.I would be interested in hearing what Carpenter,Albert and Yadi think about TLR.Kind of odd that these stars like Holliday,AP,Carp,Waino and Yadi all want to remain Cards and we don`t hear about 20 players wanting out.

                    • RCWarrior says:

                      The ones that want out can’t get out. Ask Green and Boggs about that BW.

                      The players you listed are bigger than TLR and TLR lets them do just exactly what they want. Can you see TLR and his weak old body trying to jump on Carp? How do you think that would work out for TLR? Now they are all great players on top of that that. Its easy to manage the great players and get the most out of them. A real test of managerial supremecy would be what that manager gets out of the players that are not great.

                      BW, you could manage Albert and the guy would still hit .300 and have 30 jacks and 100 RBI’s. :)

              • WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

                “Thats not old school coaching. Taking a kid out back and ripping him is old school, grabbing him up is old school, trying to turn others against him is not. Thats just being a prick.”

                RC, what makes you think that Tony is really preoccupied with “player modifications” at this stage in his career………….. Tony is playing his own legacy right now……and it valuations/validations dictated by the powers that define such things…………. Tony is in a death struggle right now, and the blows are now intensifying…….. and by its very nature, there is no tell all book waiting at the end of this…….. he is straining against his tether………the drum beating louder…………………………………. and what happens here still impacts Colby’s standing/legacy……….be thoughtful of that…………

                Do you think Tony was calling for the Garcia extension? Do you think the Carpenter negotiation…and its timing had no significance? Let nature take its course………recognizing the course here could still be profitable to you……..

        • crdswmn says:

          It is interesting to me BW that you seem to think any conflict with TLR HAS to be the other person’s fault. Why is that? You can’t imagine that TLR has faults like everyone else on the planet? That HE may be wrong? I may dislike TLR, but even I don’t think he is ALWAYS at fault for everything. I post about things that I think are his fault but there are plenty of things I don’t post about because I have no reason to.

          • Bw52 says:

            Crdswmn-i never said that. TLR seems to be somewhat old school and there could be the usual disconnect between a 66 years manager and a 23 year richer than he ever thought player.So don`t be so damn quick to fire away.Jaime seems like the type who doesn`t respond well to criticism.Tony might want to rethink how he interacts will Garcia.Maybe Duncan was a buffer and Lilliquist isn`t.

            • crdswmn says:

              I wouldn’t have responded at all BW if your initial response had been just what you now said. Instead it was a shot at Jaime’s performance and a clear accusation that it was Jaime’s performance that was the source of any conflict. I really have to wonder sometimes if you just don’t realize how hostile your posts sound when you disagree with something that is said.

              • Bw52 says:

                Crdswmn-Jamie has been a letdown since he signed his contract.IMO that has to be a disappointment to management and leads to frustration from both parties i would think.As a person who feels too many players get the money and coast it does tick me off.Jaime is showing signs of coming around and i do hope all parties can at least co-exist for the good of the team.

                • crdswmn says:

                  I think it is too early to say that Jaime is “coasting”. We do not know why Jaime’s performance took a downturn. It could be just sophomore slump, it could be mental issues which could have any number of causes, some of which may be not under his control and some which may be. I had some initial thoughts that he may have developed an attitude, which in hindsight was probably unfair of me to voice since I don’t know what is going on. Whatever is going on, we will have to wait and see if it resolved.

                • RCWarrior says:

                  He’s just getting beat down from all of the mental games BW. Jaime is a fiery competitor and TLR doesn’t need to belittle him to get anything out of him. Sharing your inner most thoughts with the media doesn’t help that player play better. Jaime’s not coasting, and he’s a stud. He’ll be ok. He is just stressing over TLR these last few months. Good point for the season to end before things get worse.

                  • Bw52 says:

                    RCW-i think its kind of odd that Jaime`s “problem” with Tony just pops up after Jaime gets the big payday and then proceeds to pitch like crap.So who`s the problem here? The manager for ripping the pitcher or the pitcher who is not performing?

                    • RCWarrior says:

                      Like I’ve said before, Jaime can’t blame anybody for his pitching woes but himself. Just like Colby couldn’t blame anyone for his poor play.

                      Jaime’s problem is that he did sign a contract with the cardinals knowing TLR was going to be there for another year at least. And TLR isn’t going to change, he is what he is. He thought that TLR would treat him like Carp once he signed that deal………..(buzzer sound). He was wrong. He’s still a member of the 2005 draft, not a TLR fav. :)

                    • crdswmn says:

                      Wait, didn’t the meltdown in Colorado happen before the contract extension? I also remember there was an issue with a performance in Kansas City that happened before the extension too. I’m not so sure the extension is the root cause.

                    • RCWarrior says:

                      No but don’t be surprised in the coming weeks to hear TLR answer a question about the extension with something that shouldn’t be said to the media. He’s classy like that.

  6. Nutlaw says:

    Five straight wins! Is it safe to say that the Cardinals are at least back in the playoff race?

    • blingboy says:

      Maybe they are just good teasers. :) I wasn’t expecting them to come on strong and I have to admit I’m not convinced they can keep it up.

      The good news is the Cardes have 12 of 16 vs sub .500 teams. The bad news is Atlanta has 12 of 15.

      • T8Ball says:

        Bad news, unless the Cards change it to good news: We do play 12 of 16 vs. sub .500 teams, will we show up for those? IE Cubs and Dodgers just schooled us, and our most recent trip to PNC we lost 2 of 3.

        We turned the corner this weekend by winning 5 straight, and Westbrook pitching well at home. Maybe we can take care of the Pirates series on our way to Philly. I do hope the Cards aren’t look to far forward and SHOW up for the Pirates series.

      • WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

        Phillies have the no.1 seed by 8 games BB………………… they will likely have the ability to decide who who they want to play in the short series……………. that means unless somebody pressures their ability to do that………… they will setup and rest their rotation + BP…………. They go to Atlanta for the final three………….. We actually need for the Brewers to get hot at this point to threaten them some how so they have less flexibility…………… but I’m forgetting the Cubs who have a free swing/punch….and Pittsburgh……and Houston……….. that means no more bases juiced in the first by Lohse and crew…….
        more I think about it………we need Atlanta to implode like the Mets a few years ago ………….

        • T8Ball says:

          that’s what I’m thinking, WestCoast. Going to need them to implode b/c from what I’ve seen this season we tend to not play as well against sub .500 teams on the road. Pirate sweep is a must, if not then 2 of 3 with Atlanta imploding, as you said.

  7. T8Ball says:

    Props to Dotel pitching to 3 straight Lefties in the 7th and getting them out.

    Motte for K’n the side for the save.

    It didn’t matter that KMac gave up the HR for a solo shot, but I’d like to see him perform better. Been a bit of a struggle recently for him.

    Good to see Rhodes do well, I know he allowed an inherited runner to score, but the odds were against him with 1st and 3rd and 1 out. SacFly allowed the run. He faced two and got 2 outs.

    • crdswmn says:

      Well, despite the presence of Waldo, I am happy to have Carp back for another two years. I will let the Moneyball people have at it over whether it is a good deal or not.

      • RCWarrior says:

        I like the move Crdswmn. You save a few bucks and keep the gang together for few more years.

        My prediction is Furcal is signed along with Albert. Skip is resigned. And TLR will actually sign a two year deal this time around to finish his hall of fame managerial campaign.

        I’m not so sure if Berkman will remain in St. Louis yet but I feel pretty sure about the other calls.

        TLR has made some improvement with his September record so far this year which is a good sign. Hopefully it continues and the cards sneak in and swipe a playoff wildcard spot.

        • Brian Walton says:

          I give you credit for making bold predictions, but I believe the odds of TLR signing for two years is even lower than Furcal getting $8 million.

          • RCWarrior says:

            This Carp two year deal will definitely cause Carp to politic for TLR to stay on for his last year. I’m telling you this has a chance to happen. Albert and Carp are the Generals of the Tony battalion. Now that Carp is in the fold for two years and Albert will be in eventually they will want TLR to stay on. TLR will difinitely feel some type of obligation to stay on, especially for ALbert, who alone has made sure Tony has kept his job for these last few years.

            • Brian Walton says:

              Of course there is a chance it will happen. The only debate is what the odds are. If TLR stayed around for Albert, he would need to sign an eight-year deal. I still bet 2012 will be it for TLR, no matter what team personnel moves are made.

              P.S. I am not counting a one-year deal with a silly second-year “mutual option.”

              • RCWarrior says:

                No doubt that Tony will not be in St. Louis for Albert’s entire contract and I’m not even sure Tony would stay an extra year for just Albert but when you add Albert and Carp together, throw in Yadi, and then Skip for a couple……He may just stay through Carps’s deal which would only be two. Its just a hunch but I think the facts would allow for that to be an option for Tony.

  8. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/jeff-gordon/article_379ecfd0-dd42-11e0-8ea4-001a4bcf6878.html

    Nice discussion……………… Gordo was asked to do too much in this article………..it is loaded with speculative mandates and front office prodding…………..it is a veritable “berry patch” of front office intention’s …………….. what are you all thinking??

    Carp did the physicals last week………before the shutout……….tell you anything?

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