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Umpire Gibson’s Cardinals run-ins continue

Though umpire Greg Gibson lacks the notoriety of his combative crew member Angel Hernandez, his recent history with the St. Louis Cardinals has not been positive. The latest chapter was written Wednesday evening.

Umpiring at first base, Gibson missed a call during the ninth inning of the Cardinals’ loss to the Milwaukee Brewers.

With one on and no out, Josh Wilson dropped down a sacrifice bunt. Pitcher Mark Rzepczynski fielded the ball and threw to the inside of first base. Albert Pujols left the bag to catch the ball, but touched it with his toe before Wilson reached first.

Pujols immediately protested, with manager Tony La Russa taking over the debate. The skipper was soon ejected by Gibson.

With Mitchell Boggs then assuming the pitching duties, Corey Hart’s one-out single plated both Wilson and the runner ahead of him, extending the Brewers’ lead from 3-1 to their final 5-1 edge.

La Russa and Gibson have a checkered history, including three ejections in the last four years.

The umpire ran the manager on September 12, 2009 for arguing balls and strikes at Atlanta. It was La Russa’s first (and only?) ejection that year.

On July 28, 2007 as the Cards faced the Brewers at Busch Stadium, third base umpire Gibson ejected La Russa for arguing a checked swing strike call that went against Skip Schumaker. It was the manager’s first boot of that season.

In the 2005 NLCS in which the Cardinals lost to Houston, Gibson was involved in three controversial plays that all went against St. Louis in Game 2. The first was a missed tag out at third that the home plate ump Gibson ran over to cover. The second was a ball that should have been called a foul but was ruled fair and led to a Cardinals out. The third was a crucial strikeout of Jim Edmonds with two on base in a two-run game.

Six days later, in Game 6 of that same series, Gibson, then at second base, made an out call on Yadier Molina when replays showed Astros shortstop Adam Everett had missed the tag. As in the other cases, La Russa argued to no avail. It was a key play in the final game of Busch Stadium II and the end for one of La Russa’s best Cardinals teams.

Despite all of this, the reality is that Gibson did not lose Wednesday’s game. The Cardinals are 3-8 against Milwaukee this season because the Brewers have simply played better.

Yet as La Russa noted, Gibson will be in an important position in St. Louis’ must-win Thursday night contest.

“He missed the call. He didn’t think he missed it,” said La Russa. “I say very clearly that had very little with us losing the game. They would have had a two-run lead going into the ninth, and their closer (John Axford) hasn’t given up anything. So (Gibson) isn’t the reason we got beat.

“But he missed the call. Short fuse. Very undeserved ejection. Let’s see how he handles it tomorrow (when Gibson is behind the plate). Let’s see if he has a carryover and gets upset and wants to take it out on us.”

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40 Responses to “Umpire Gibson’s Cardinals run-ins continue”

  1. crdswmn says:

    So the Cardinals sucked last night did they? I wasn’t there to watch it because I was at the Springfield Cardinals game watching them suck. What was the level of suckage this time?

    • Brian Walton says:

      As someone tweeted, it seemed as if Bud Norris had slipped into Randy Wolf’s uniform.

    • WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

      It really wasn’t so bad CRD……………….after Furcal opens with a double, Tony sacrifices him to third for AP…………… in a vain attempt to get him to feed……… take a responsible situational AB……..it worked……..he took a level cut and hit a mysterious and very rare ………..line drive………something rarely seen on the open plane these days …………. and then he went back to sleep……….

      A bored and ego diminished Matt Holiday decided he would pump up a bit more than usual……. thats smart ………. Lance paced about the dugout, coming to grips with his plight…………maybe being sat down for reasons other than just his stats………………….

      AP……..as predicted took a pseudo leadership roll on this team…(I like to call it mounted) … and has now failed to show any accountability……………….. responsibility for that matter………. there is now open warfare between factions………… it could become really ugly……….. Looks like the “mouthy” KL has set the table for himself……….sure hope he’s hungry………..

      Cardinals are holding at -130 O/U 7.5 against their best pitcher………..favored all three nights……
      how do any of you like the chances of this team responding to a Chris Carpenter start with our present state of mind………knowing the depth dysfunction that is crippling this team………. easy money???????? Brewers aren’t very good on the road??????….. is there is that much saber metric betting going on????????? We have single handedly shown the Brewers who they are….big mistake….and Pittsburg is on the rebound……outof it.but hungry……….. but hey a couple hits and maybe a HR by the King…….even in a losing effort would be worth some elbowing and chucking over at the 1st base club….

  2. CariocaCardinal says:

    “It could become really ugly” – what month did you first use that phrase Westie -April? Well, I guess it still could 4 months later.

    • STLfan51 says:

      It is ugly already. CRD it sucked BAD. No life at all.
      Craig kicks a ball in left, Al “it was a sure double anyway”, my ass!!!!!!!! Their back-up catcher running, at the very least a bang bang play IF HE WOULD HAVE TRIED IT ANYWAY.
      Furcal drops a ball when Yadi has Braun gunned out by 5 feet, Ricky after a routine grounder is fielded later in the game, “the infield has been stellar tonight”, B.S.!!!!!!!! Stellar means Braun is tagged out (routine play) and it’s 2-1 until the 9th instead of 3-1.
      Then in 7-8th inning its Westbrook lovefest, “8 dominant innings”, TRY 6 good innings and 2 SHITTY innings. And the criticizing of the Brewers for not being patient and working Westbrooks pitch count???????????? Milwaukee is in first. They are dominating STL. And they criticize them????? It’s a joke.
      Poor at bats, poor defense, poor managing, poor decisions, poor announcing = easy outs, extra outs, no team rhythm, extra bases, and a shitty watch. Can’t wait for the next 45 games, its ugly already.

      • STLfan51 says:

        Sorry for the vulgarity. But this is supposed to be baseball at it’s highest level. This team’s performance is not acceptable, which is fine if steps are taken to address it. Instead it gets sugar coated night after night. I don’t mind losing at all. But I do mind self inflicted demise. Sometimes you’re not good enough in sports, fine. Sometimes you are and take that for granted, not fine.

        • WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

          No need to apologize 51……….pull up a seat………..

          In the War……….. Berkman leads the Hr’s by 1……….the RBi’s by 5 over AP with 50 less AB’s………………. last nights first inning “sacrifice” to be sure AP plate appearance produced something “objectify-able” is just the beginning …………………

          Bottom line……………… Berkman fronting AP… leaves open a devastating attack possibility by BD…..in September…………..If you’re telling me that getting a first inning run with Westbrooke on the mound merits a Sac to third……….go fishing………. the Holiday injury made the Berkman benching that much more flagrant ……………….after a Mondays day off…….. Tony’s career likely ends this year unless he can hook up his wagon to a stronger Pony ………… flaws in a failing team will expose more and more of these moments in coming weeks……. it could get ugly………. I can’t believe Rhodes’ agent isn’t considering pressing for more that the minimum ……… regardless of his possible effectiveness….seeing such obvious vulnerabilities in the market place………. thats why he’s taking his time………..he has his hand out……….

  3. crdswmn says:

    Thanks for the analysis ya’ll. I smell clubhouse problems.

  4. Brian Walton says:

    Please check out my weekly Farm Report at FOXSportsMidwest.com:

    “Lyons’ no-hitter for Palm Beach”

  5. Brian Walton says:

    Lineup: Furcal SS, Jay CF, Pujols 1B, Berkman RF, Freese 3B, Craig LF, Molina C, Theriot 2B, Carpenter P

  6. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    The use of Theriot instead of Descalso shows Tony’s desperation………… I wish it weren’t so….. Just flipping AP and LB changes the whole shebang………. if we’re gonna win, their gonna just have to roll over……………..

    • STLfan51 says:

      Talking Cardinal baseball with friends I brought up that exact point. We aren’t good enough to catch them unless we can beat them head to head. 1-4 so far. Ugh

      Side note: with Rhodes in the fold, Tony will now need 2 excuses why he leaves the Dotels of the world in to face lefties. One for each of our lefties now. And he knows this and relishes it, 2 “valid reasons” from LaGenuis why he would go against the book, showing us his knowledge. Whatever. Win games.

  7. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    The umpiring question……………the problem………..the league is watching….evaluating……ump know that………….so its simple………anything close enough to merit scrutiny, is going to the Brewers ……..can everyone see the problem……….. where as we might got 50% of the borderline pitches……now we get none………can Carp withstand a squeeze? We are -125…even with late money seeing Braun on the bench………and Holiday scratched…………

  8. blingboy says:

    I’m going to stop checking the box score in the morning. Gets the day off to a bad start at 4am.

    I too appreciate the description and commentary.

    DD, I assume, deserves to be at the bottom of the depth chart. In Tonyland I mean.

    Carp looks good from the knee down.

  9. blingboy says:

    Mo did a dumpster dive today I understand. Valdez must have sucked even worse than we thought.

  10. Leebo says:

    Have you guys ever seen this? This was linked from Stltoday forum. Neat, this is the first time I have ever seen this footage.

    http://deadspin.com/5829958/at-last-video-evidence-that-mike-laga-really-did-hit-a-foul-ball-out-of-the-old-busch-stadium

  11. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    Albert tilted up to 45 degrees……but rocked back to 25…..weight balanced……….he is listening to someone…………….a good swing plane……reasonable tempo………. but most importantly he came to the plate with a little humility……………… he is the one that can change this situation……..Berkman is tied for HR’s……..he looked discouraged………

  12. blingboy says:

    Any thoughts who will be dropped from the 40 man tomorrow?

  13. blingboy says:

    I hadn’t realized our friend PJ Walters got in an inning in the bigs with Toronto. Right after the trade. He’s back in the minors but on the 40 man.

  14. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    Fielder was staring into the Cardinal dugout after his DP………….. smirking………. AP and LB are in a truce………..both go for the hit…….. with a nice result…………

  15. blingboy says:

    Brian, maybe your friend Tom could find out when’s the last time the Cards had the top two HR hitters in the NL this late in the season. I’d appreciate it.

    Good night all.

  16. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    Tony starts managing…………….. bails AP out of a 1/2 count with the steal……. they make a mistake and we’re smiling……………. I know what he intended………and that is a reasonable call……….. We need more because the BP is going to be snoozing…….. Carp at 83 in the 6th

  17. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    Perfect example of why Descaslo should already be in there…………

  18. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    I’m ready……..Craig has nothing……put in the defense……….Theriot has nothing…..put in the defense…..

  19. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    Can you really chance Carp in the 8th…………… Tony will likely……..he isn’t going to match up zepski and Fielder…………Braun will be hitting.

  20. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    I didn’t see that high knee action…………………………….. how about Berkman getting it up a little……he isn’t getting much of a taste of this AP slaughter………………thats kind of ruff………

  21. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    That helped……………….Tony is leaving Craig in………… I hope it doesn’t have any consequences……..should be Salas……………..

    an error at 2nd or left in the 9 will just light a fuse………..

  22. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    Salas has 7..8…Braun…………Hart……..

  23. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    Pujols had a markedly different approach at the plate today…………. just like a real player…..base hits….with Hr’s that happen…………… Theriot was of’er……….. Craig has little going on. Thank heaven for Furcal meeting the challenge in the first…………

  24. Bw52 says:

    No fuses lit.No team trauma.No hysterics.Just a Cardinal win.That should settle down the “ready to jump bunch”.Maybe this can be the start of a streak.

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