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Torre calls Molina act disrespectful

In an interview in Sunday’s New York Times, Major League Baseball vice president Joe Torre came down hard on current on-field behavior across the game. In doing so, he sees players more at fault than umpires.

“Players have really gone over the line a lot in their behavior,” Torre said in a telephone interview. “The relationship is obviously not going to get better unless players understand that with the privilege of playing the game, there’s a certain amount of respect you have to play with.”

Among a group of examples cited, the former manager of the Cardinals, Braves, Mets, Yankees and Dodgers called out St. Louis catcher Yadier Molina. Torre suspended the Cardinal backstop for five games for bumping and spitting on umpire Rob Drake last weekend. Molina served his second game out on Saturday night and will be eligible to return next Wednesday.

“What happened the other day is certainly unacceptable, with Yadier Molina,” Torre said. “To me, that’s a sign of disrespect. And I recognize the passion in the game. But you have to understand we’re all part of this thing, and we just can’t have that take place.”

In his short time as head of all of MLB’s on-field affairs, Torre has increased his knowledge of and appreciation for the job umpires do in trying to keep peace.

“A lot of it is common sense, and a feel for how the game is going,” Torre said. “They’ve done a much better job keeping players in the game and warning people at the right time. I’m sure a big part of that is they’re letting the game play out a little bit better.”

Recognizing that fines and suspensions aren’t the answer, Torre wants to bring the two groups together to try to solve the problem.

“We certainly have to find a way to make the relationship better, and you can’t legislate that,” Torre said. “You have to find a way to gather these people and have a meaningful understanding, and the only way to do that is to be able to talk about it. I’m hoping to put something in motion, and we’re getting closer to it.”

In the Times article, no mention was made of any concern over showboating umpires or ones that have demonstrated a high level of inconsistency.

In the first inning of Saturday night’s game, the Cardinals were the beneficiary of a blown call that enabled them to score what would become their only and winning runs. A catch by Florida right fielder Mike Stanton of a sinking liner off the bat of Rafael Furcal was ruled a trap – even after all four umpires conferred. Albert Pujols soon followed with a two-run home run in what would be a 2-1 St. Louis victory.

Marlins manager Jack McKeon, understandably upset over what became a game-changing mistake, spoke out about what he perceives to be a double standard regarding umpiring:

“We get kicked out of the game,” McKeon told the Palm Beach Post. “The players perform poorly they’re sent out. But there are no consequences if they continue to make bad calls.”

Footnote: Drake tossed Alex Gordon and manager Ned Yost of Kansas City on Sunday. Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports felt the ejections were unnecessary.

Earlier article: “Ejections rise with temperatures“.

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46 Responses to “Torre calls Molina act disrespectful”

  1. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    RC………..Colby’s adjustments are heading in the right direction at this point …………. he is doing the right things………….. if he will lay the bat head off 10 /15 degrees on the horizontal plane when a base stroke or something away is warranted ………. he will start producing a higher BA …………… the pay is good…. Tony Gwyn……Rod Carew….Colby Rasmus……hall of fame…….

  2. crdswmn says:

    Joe Torre just lost alot of my respect.

    • WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

      Why……….???? Drake is a punk umpire………. and it appears to me that he has a thing for the Cardinals right now……….it happens……….anything close enough……he shades against us…….. do we deserve it?????????? probably…………….. Torre has to deal with the Unions……… the electronic strike zone will be upon us when it is tamper proof……….. that will be a start………… Umpires will just be officiating tools before long…………… Torre is just doing his job………respect is a very subjective term……..

      • crdswmn says:

        Why? Because as a former player and manager he should know that it is not that black and white. Umpires are not blameless yet he practically preaches that they are in that article. I don’t like sellouts and that is what he is.

        • WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

          You are missing the point CRD…………..its suppose to be black(blue) and white…………… its his job to make it appear so……………………… If the Umpires were paid in proportion to their accuracy……dramatically…….and validated in electronic evaluations…… and sanctioned (fined) for there failures, post game…. ………… many things would change…………

  3. blingboy says:

    Yadi’s reaction was over the line no matter how bad the umpiring. Like a spoiled bratty kid. Play with what we’ve got and forget about him until he can play.

    My proposal is to implement a system where umps can be sent down to AAA and called up in response to performance, which can now be measured.

  4. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    Rafael Furcal, Cardinals: $12MM option vests with 600 plate appearances. Injuries have limited Furcal to just 179 plate appearances this year, so this one won’t be vesting.

    This is his part of the contract…………the team still has an option……….. not that they would ever use it.

    • JumboShrimp says:

      Furcal is not going to command $12MM during 2012, so why would the Cards massively overpay? We are more likely to exercise a big option for Wainwright.

      • WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

        Jumbo……….. when they negotiate a contract……….and options are used………the team has the option………..the player has either a vesting option, or a buy out of some kind………… mutual options are rare and really aren’t about much……save to preserve a cost understanding already negotiated……

        Furcals value is his own to decide……….by the display of his skills and viability………… if he plays really well………..he will get a 3 yr deal somewhere…..the amount…….he is now negotiating……….
        The Cardinals do have the privilege of utilizing this control factor…………. even though it is 4 or 5 million more than he gets per year in a three year deal…………. it may be used against an AP maneuver…………..making that amount “chimp change” in a larger framework of reasoning………
        I posted the information here because I wasn’t aware of the vesting nature of his contract……. or its status of course by inference…………..

        On a baseball note…………. Cruz again? Is laird hurt? Putting Theriot second seems ill advised…..
        Why not mix Holiday or Berkman in the 2 whole??????????????? same reason Furcal might not ever steal a base……..or be sacrificed over……………….????????? ya think/………..TLR is an A-Orifice………..he is managing his career…………not this team………

        • WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

          Vazquez is 4-2 with a 2.13 ERA over his last eight starts.

          Think about this………… Furcal is a tougher DP from the left side……..he is more apt to create difficulties for a pitcher on first with AP batting …..right? Why hit him first with Theriot behind him? Why not second when coupled with Theriot, so that his speed complicates defensive responses????????????
          Theriot’s lack of speed and propensity for hitting ground balls make him a hazard there…….don’t they……….. nullifying all of Furcals positives…….almost………….

          Do you know why something this obvious is over looked?????? Because Furcal being on first with one out…………exposes Tony’s personal agenda with AP that much more……………… the ugliest being Furcal on second via the steal or double……..and AP trying to avoid being walked by chasing pitches as was the case in April and May………..it looks really ugly……….. especially for the heroic Holiday/Berkman combination lurking behind………….. give some though as to why Tony is managing as he has…………….. 14 hits and 2 runs?????????? that happens sometimes………but look at why it happened yesterday and be informed…………..

        • JumboShrimp says:

          westie, I recall when you had a terrible time trying to figure out the Lugo deal. The Furcal deal is similar, a SS with a big contract. The Red Sox gave us millions to cart away Lugo.
          You predict Furcal will get another 3 year deal this off season. No, he is more likely to command a 1 year deal and probably for under $5MM/yr. If he plays well for us during August/September, the Cards could be bidders. They like Furcal, but are not going to pay him $11MM. This is what the Dodgers did and the Dodgers are in bankruptcy.

          • WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

            Its difficult to comment on your post Jumbo……………so we will just let it sit there as a monument to your comprehension……………to be dignified as seems appropriate.

            • WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

              On July 17, 2009, Lugo was designated for assignment by the Boston Red Sox, and was traded to the St. Louis Cardinals for Chris Duncan and cash considerations along with a player-to-be-named-later,………
              {{{{ or cash on July 22, 2009.}}}}}}}}
              ——————————————————————–
              acquired by St. Louis in trade from Boston 7/22/09 after being DFA 7/17/09 (Cardinals pay Major League minimums for 2009 (pro-rated) and 2010, with Boston paying balance of about $13.5M left on contract)
              acquired by Baltimore in trade from St. Louis 4/1/10 (Orioles to pay $0.4M of 2010 salary)

              Cards got a million from Baltimore for Lugo……………. the issue of interest at the time was the bracketed item………………. this money turned out to be the exact amount required to dispose of CD…………….salary and various expenses surrounding his room and board no doubt……………… its number is still confidential for that very reason……….. all grievances were resolved in Dave’s Multi year deal no doubt………..

              I was suspicious at the time for good reason…………as history is showing us……..the Cardinals have lots of money to do those things……..”they want to do”………… they we acting broke at the time….silly me to fall for that………… them suddenly having the 6 million for the Holiday salary…….

              Hey…………….but thats all just my weird remembrance of those times………… probably completely off base………….

              • JumboShrimp says:

                Boston gave Lugo a huge multi-year deal. The Sox must have gotten sick of him by year 3, so much so that they traded him for nothing (Chris Duncan) and paid the Cards nearly all of Lugo’s salary for 1.3 seasons, an amazing waste of money.

                Furcal has an option that would trigger with 600 at bats. He will fall far short of the necessary at bats. The Dodgers paid the Cards most of his remaining salary, $2.6MM, but the Cards picked up circa $1.4MM, to give the Dodgers financial incentive to send Raffy to StL.

                In his prime, Furcal was a tremendous SS, great arm, speed, and an OPS much higher than a normal SS. This is what earned him a huge contract. After injuries, Furcal has struggled, last year and this. He now gets a chance to display a new lease on life for TLR and Jose Oquendo, to try to interest teams to give him a 2012 deal. Otherwise the gravy train is over and Furcal off to retirement and managing his bank accounts.

        • crdswmn says:

          Cruz is better than Laird, imo.

          • WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

            I disagree CRD…………. Laird is the one taking on the BS is all………… Looks like Tony is making a statement about the “disagreement amongst friends”…………………… unless there are health issues I’m hot aware of……………

  5. Brian Walton says:

    Sunday lineup from FS Midwest: Furcal Theriot 2B Pujols Holiday Berkman Jay Cruz Descalso 3b Garcia

  6. JumboShrimp says:

    There goes the no-hitter.
    Albert is even more dangerous when he takes the outside pitch into the RF seats.

  7. T8Ball says:

    Furcal big play there with the strong throw home. Jaime with 5th inning road woes.

  8. T8Ball says:

    Boni is a tad faster than Vazquez.

  9. T8Ball says:

    Good news……only allowed 1 run

    Bad news……Game is official and if it rains harder, they’ll stop it.

    I would say it’s prudent to get this run back this inning.

  10. Kansasbirdman says:

    Any doubt we need to try to keep the big three?

  11. T8Ball says:

    It’s raining hard now……..I swear, call the game :)

  12. Kansasbirdman says:

    There ya go JJ!

  13. T8Ball says:

    big hits, at key times. Most unlike last night.

  14. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    That was a complete miss by Jay………SHLuck………… Great AB by Holiday…knew what he’d get and did what was right……………. Furcal’s attempt at trick bunt…….to bad……..Theriot does what you’d expect….
    AP stops to be sure the ball goes through…………with 2 outs………he’s in it………… all on a gift by the Fish……………. we’ll take it………..thank God they walked AP….. he wasn’t going to look for the single……………and you all know it……….. Cruz has nothing……..yeah, its about defense……….Boggs so soon…….. I’m looking for Lynn to start a game against Brewers if they can rest him……….

  15. T8Ball says:

    Don’t know if that dirt will help….I actually see animals going by (2 of each kind), looks like they are heading to big boat

    Call the GAME!!!!!!

  16. T8Ball says:

    Boggs couldn’t help himself, could he?

  17. T8Ball says:

    Badenhop with the gift there….taking away the possible DP from Rollover Albert

  18. JumboShrimp says:

    5 out of 7 on the road trip. Sure the Marlins were missing the great Hanley Ramirez, but sweeping them 4 in Miami is good work and gets us ready for another shot at the Brewers. Molina gets back on Wednesday.

  19. JumboShrimp says:

    Who will win the NL HR race, Lance or Albert?

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