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Carpenter and Pujols need to party like it is 2005

The difficult season being endured by the long-standing stars of the St. Louis Cardinals continued Friday night as the home club lost to the Kansas City Royals. It was St. Louis’ seventh consecutive defeat.

Starting pitcher Chris Carpenter is now 1-7 with a 4.47 ERA in his 15 starts this season. Despite fanning seven and walking just one, Carp allowed 10 singles and lost the 5-4 game on Friday.

Gold Glove first baseman Albert Pujols committed a fielding error that allowed the winning run to score in Friday’s eighth inning. It was his fourth error in three games, though the other three were at third base. Much has been written about Pujols’ hitting this season as he is batting an uncharacteristic .271.

The fact the Cardinals have played so well despite these two having a subpar season is remarkable. Yet for the team to pull it together down the stretch, they need more from both the 36-year-old Carpenter and Pujols, 31.

Just six years ago, the two were en route to a sweep of the top pitcher and player awards in the National League. In 2005, Carpenter took his only National League Cy Young Award while Pujols won his first of three NL Most Valuable Player Awards.

Starting on June 18, 2005 through the end of that season, here are the numbers the two posted.

2005 from June 18 through end of regular season

Starts CG Shut Outs W-L ERA
Carpenter 19 5 2 12-1 2.61
BA OBP SLG HR RBI
Pujols 0.332 0.444 0.632 23 65

Obviously, the two now have many more miles on their frames, but if they could approach that kind of productivity, think of the benefit to their team. With neither under contract for next season, now is the time to help secure their personal futures as well.

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77 Responses to “Carpenter and Pujols need to party like it is 2005”

  1. JumboShrimp says:

    Carpenter pitched a fine game last night. Its a team sport, he was not rewarded with a win.
    He threw 8 innings, 124 pitches, to bail out a weak bullpen. The Royals collected no extra base hits. After the Royals got 3 early runs, Carpenter kept his composure and only gave up one more earned run during the next 6 innings.
    Carpenter has overcome injuries during a long career: a shoulder op with the Blue Jays; an uncommon nerve issue that flared up a couple of times with the Cards and prevented normal muscle function.
    Carp has overcome these challenges, thrown a great number of ML innings, and even at age 36 is still leading the 2011 Cards in innings pitched. Last night, he rose to the occasion. Great job.

  2. Bw52 says:

    While Carpenter is pitching in his last 21 starts the Cards have won 6 times.Defense has hurt him at times,lack of offense at times and other times Carpenter just was hit hard and was ineffective.Is this a career declione or just a long extended blip? Who knows? IMO this is no way in hell Carps option gets picked up next year.As for Albert i want him to be a lifetime Cardinal like Stan.Reality says it is possible but a what cost ?

  3. crdswmn says:

    Lineup:

    Theriot ss
    Rasmus cf
    Pujols 1b
    Holliday lf
    Berkman rf
    Molina c
    Descalso 3b
    Westbrook p
    Schumaker 2b

  4. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    KAN +150 -145 9.0 +146 -145 9.0
    STL -160 +125 -156 +125

    This is a good swoon indicator………….. is it solely because they sent Greene down?

    Is it the pitching match up? In the elemental struggle between Holiday?Berkman vs. AP…..which entity overcomes the dynamic tension that has built up?

  5. blingboy says:

    For some reason I am intrigued by Cleto. Can’t wait to see him have another go.

  6. blingboy says:

    Some of the guys are sporting stirrups tonight. They look like ballplayers at least.

  7. crdswmn says:

    Our starting pitchers need to stop throwing meatballs over the plate.

  8. blingboy says:

    I missed Escobar’s triple. Anybody care to describe?

    • crdswmn says:

      Westbrook threw a hanging breaking ball over the plate and Escobar smoked it into the gap in left center.

    • Brian Walton says:

      Gapper hit hard to left-center. Theriot took the cutoff, but double clutched before throwing to third late. Either no one yelled “3″ to him or he just muffed it. Two runs scored anyway.

    • blingboy says:

      Thanks. Most of the time, a triple is a double that got played into a triple somehow. The exception being the crazy ricochet in the corner. This sounds like a routine gapper that should have gone for 2. Didn’t matter. This time. It will matter another time.

  9. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    Played the wall pretty cleanly to be running a galloping Theriot to the plate with 2 outs and Berkman standing there………………. I surprised that it was that close

  10. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    Mazzaro………………..????? We’re lucky to have Haladay and Lee on Tuesday and wednesday…….

  11. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    Westbrooke at 119?……………………Tony took a chance………….why was that again?

  12. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    Brown takes a death breath every time he steps in the box…………. and it shows……….. whats that about?

  13. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    They have to deal with the hitters one more time…………. one break, and the get to pitch around 1 or 2 of them……………after Berkman there is nothing…………how you going to win?

  14. blingboy says:

    Off the wall single. That’s what an arm does for you.

  15. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    How is that a single for a speed guy from the left side? Was he watching his hit……….KC just showed the replay………..he was watching it instead of running…………… incredible……..

  16. Kansasbirdman says:

    the stirrups bring luck!

  17. LarryBird says:

    Having Holliday back is huge!

  18. LarryBird says:

    I am as old school as the next guy.With that being said……I hate the socks!

  19. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    Tony runs the AP sacrifice…………..and wisely……….he beats the guaranteed DP……… Holiday says enough……………. will that be enough for Salas to finish it? End the swoon????????

  20. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    Salas looks nervous………….. too much plate……….

  21. LarryBird says:

    Sorry WestCoastbirdWatcher but I can not understand most of what you write. Is it just me?

    • WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

      Its a baseball thing LB…………. don’t fret……….. an AP sacrifice is a hit and run on the first pitch…knowing that he always takes a strike……its always around the plate……..if he misses Colby is out……..80% of the time………………. its why won the game……..otherwise AP hits into the DP and….they pitch around Holiday………and they win……….. AP didn’t like it………..Tony steals his hero stance without making him bunt………….. its why the swoon exists in the first place……….

    • JumboShrimp says:

      Mr. Bird, no it is not you.

  22. LarryBird says:

    Great win by the Cards! Salas has cemented the closer role!

  23. Kansasbirdman says:

    The stirrups did it. Broke the funk.

    • LarryBird says:

      I have still not seen any stirrups.

    • crdswmn says:

      If Theriot plays the rest of the season like he did tonight I will be a very happy woman.

      Now all he needs is the pornstache. :)

    • blingboy says:

      I agree. Looking like ballplayers helps create the right atmosphere. Result is less defensive bungling. That was the difference.

      • WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

        Berkman looked bad in that last ab………….. and Molina was worse in the Vortex created by Holiday slaying the dragon………………….. If Pujols goes flat tomorrow……..and Colby and Berkman show up……..they might finish this thing with a big day………. that would mean Cardinals win by at least 4.

        • blingboy says:

          Albert definitly didn’t like being used to set up Holliday. But he did it. He doesn’t have to go flat, he just has to be managed.

          • LarryBird says:

            How did Albert seem mad about hitting and running?

            • blingboy says:

              I thought he looked unhappy about it, but that’s beside the point.

              Albert doesn’t like to swing at the first pitch. He likes to decide what to swing at, and he chooses the ones he thinks he can hit out. He definitly doesn’t like being ordered to swing at a certain pitch so as to avoid erasing the tying run in a DP. That’s the kind of stuff a situational hitter is told to do. King Albert is not.

              Think of it like this, how funny would it have been for the hit and run to be put on with the game on the line and Hank Aaron at the plate. All for the purpose of ensuring the guy after Hank would come up with the tying run in scoring position. Never in a million years would that happen.

              • Kansasbirdman says:

                It appeared tto me that Albert did not run very hard to first, that appaers to be a sign of his displeasure at the call. The way Colby hustled and tried to disrupt the throw he may have made it, AP is fast enough.

                • Leebo says:

                  Albert never really runs hard to first, it will eventually cost them a game. I am not saying he should sprint all out, but when he jogs slowly and then suddenly tries to speed up when a ball is bobbled ect, he increases his chance of injury. That is my big pet peeve with Albert. I still love him though, and hope he stays a Cardinal forever.

  24. blingboy says:

    The chart in the article shows what great second halves Carp and Albert had six years ago. It’s not hard for me to imagine Albert getting hot and having a nice second half. With Carp its harder. His results depend on a lot more than is own performance.

  25. Leebo says:

    John Tudor started out in 85 going 1-7, but one of his old friends and college (or high school) teamates noticed a mechanical change in Tudor’s delivery. He contacted Tudor and informed him of what he saw. Tudor made an adjustment and finished the year at 21-8 with a 1.93 era and WhIP under 1. Would love to see that kind of turn around for Carp.

    • blingboy says:

      I would love to see Carp have that kind of second half as well. I would start off by giving him Tudor’s defense. Smith and Herr middle infield with Willie McGee in CF giving him a world class defense up the middle. Add in Coleman and VanSlyke, Pendleton and Clark at the corners, and I’d give Carp more than a fighting chance.

  26. crdswmn says:

    Edwin Rodriguez resigned this morning.

    Baseball is a tough business.

  27. blingboy says:

    1. Ryan Theriot (R) SS
    2. Colby Rasmus (L) CF
    3. Albert Pujols (R) 1B
    4. Matt Holliday (R) LF
    5. Yadier Molina (R) C
    6. Andrew Brown (R) RF
    7. Daniel Descalso (L) 3B
    8. Jaime Garcia (L) P
    9. Pete Kozma (R) 2B

  28. Leebo says:

    No John Jay? Resting Berkman and still no Jay. Can’t say I care for that. Reminds me of TLR sitting Ludwig two games in a row, while he was on a white hot tear a couple of years ago. Jay isn’t exactly on a tear but he has been fairly consistant offense and one of the few plus defenders.

    • blingboy says:

      Tony doesn’t believe being on a white hot tear has any predictive value. When it comes to what a guy might do today, he thinks what he did three years ago has as much predictive value as what he did the last week. Sitting Luddy when he was hot used to infuriate me.

      • Leebo says:

        It was a running joke in my family. Whenever Luddy would go on one of his 10 for 16 with 4 homeruns streaks, we would say “Hey Luddy is on a rampage, time to get him off the field for a week or so. “

  29. blingboy says:

    Holliday said he might don the stirrups again today. Let’s see who else will man up.

    • Leebo says:

      ALWAYS ride out the steak. Has to wear em till they lose.

      • blingboy says:

        I agree, although I wouldn’t call one in a row a streak.

        That was a nice picket fence we put up at the start yesterday, but I hope we can hang a crooked number on them right off the bat today.

        Time to head to pop’s house for a BBQ. Should have 4 generations of Cards fans to watch the game. Good luck today.

  30. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    Tony is gambling against Garcia that he can rest Berkman 2 days………… The flaw is Molina hitting 5th…………….Holiday won’t see a pitch……………………. Colby against a lefty is gambling here….if he fizzles that further isolates Holiday………………. A swoon breaker turns into a Tony speculation……

    If we win………Berkman gets an extra days rest…………if we loose…. and Pujols has reasonable day, we are back in bad weather……………………… I take the 1st place Cards and the struggling AP …..over
    AP……….and his 3rd place band of renowns…………… any day…………. 4/0 boston……we would be playing for 1st place……………

  31. crdswmn says:

    That HBP was stupid, stupid, stupid.

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