With their words and actions on the field, the players and coaches have clearly escalated the rivalry between the St. Louis Cardinals and the Cincinnati Reds. Now the media is becoming part of the story.
During the Reds’ game on 700 WLW radio Monday evening against the Cubs, Cincinnati broadcaster and Hall of Famer Marty Brennaman offered some choice words about the Cardinals. They included:
On Chris Carpenter: “…whiner and excuse maker…”
On the Cardinals: “…you might be the most disliked team in baseball…”
On the pitching coach: “…that infantile Dave Duncan…”
Through the courtesy of KMOX radio, one can listen to the audio clip of Brennaman here.
It works both ways.
On the other side of the fence, St. Louis Post-Dispatch columnist Bernie Miklasz drew what appeared to be considerable fire from Reds fans on Twitter immediately after Sunday’s Cardinals loss as they responded to his tweets such as these:
“Reds are awfully cocky for a team that’s had one good season over a very long time.”
“…Cardinals got punked by Phillips on Saturday and did nothing about it. Don Tony wouldn’t have put up with that”
“Scott Rolen or someone with a brain over there needs to tell the Reds: act like you’ve won something before.”
“Cardinals had an opportunity to take a stand and declined. Let themselves get punked by Phillips on Saturday and gave Cueto a pass.”
“So obviously the Reds think they can pretty much do what they want. No wonder (Cordero) is hollering and pointing at dugout.”
Providing balance, Miklasz followed with a number of explanatory and conciliatory tweets (see above link to his Twitter page) and he wrote a very measured view of the weekend proceedings in his post-series column.
Yet some only focus on the negatives. Social media clearly increases the immediacy and intensity of the exchanges just as the internet has made Brennaman’s critical remarks more widely distributed.
That is the new world in which we live.
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Consider the source. it’s Marty Brenneman
Man those Reds and their fans must be attention starved. They have been all over the internet since Sunday raging about the chirping in the dugout. You would think we put a contract out on Dusty Baker or something. It is absurd.
Curious how you voted above…
I know. I am not always confrontational
Sometimes less is more.
I think he means………he is curious about how you vote CRD……….. I don’t think he is suggesting he knows………………….. but perhaps you answered him…………
WC, you are correct. I was asking how crdswmn voted. Not a big deal, though. Results are intended to be anonymous anyway.
Sorry, I thought you knew how I voted.
I voted for moderation. My view is don’t start something, just finish it. If others say provocative things, fight back, just don’t initiate.
The stands in Cincinnati are empty. They know what they’re doing.
A brush back pitch is a few inches off. If the Cardinals want to make it an issue, how can that hurt them. They are playing the hand that they’re dealt…………… take a closer look at our motivations.
Garcia neutralizing Howard and Ibanez is giving the Cardinals a nod in the wagering………. Descalso and Punto should be on tonight. Will Tony use Colby 6th? or do we go back to Yadi. Philly’s blatantly pitched around Holiday and Berkman yesterday……..even Lee in the first loaded the bases and went right after Craig for 1 out, and for a good reason……………… I hope to see Laird in this one.
For those that can……….watch AP’s AB’s yesterday in super slow…….. this isn’t going away soon.
Tweet from SI’s Jon Heyman:
“tiring of team broadcasters ripping rival players and/or coaches for no good reason. how pathetic. #growup”
LOL Heyman is going to inundated with hate tweets from Reds fans.
Crdswmn-only if somebody reads it to the dumb SOBS.
1. Ryan Theriot, SS
2. Jon Jay, CF
3. Albert Pujols, 1B
4. Matt Holliday, LF
5. Lance Berkman, RF
6. Allen Craig, 2B
7. Yadier Molina, C
8. Daniel Descalso, 3B
9. Jaime Garcia, LHP
This is a little complicated…………… covering tracks? ploy to get Philly’s to try to work Garcia toward right…(likely) no aspect of Craig’s game warrants this………. Without Punto playong ace defense (and hitting) we lose yesterday………… this really isn’t about baseball…..
added thought…………………regardless of any tactical justification…. that theoretically could be carried out……… this is a dangerous extension of an ego that wants to know where people around him stand………….. whose loyal….whose not………………. Rollins has a good enough bat to exploit this.
Is Tony forcing Craig into harms way? does he think there is a hanging slider weakness by Ozwalt?
thats all I could come up with………….
Nope. It is just one of TLR’s ego trips, that is all.
Crdswmn-worked pretty well last nite didn`t it.Take off youyr blinders.
No, because that wasn’t the lineup last night.
Brennaman is usually somewhat better that that.Living in Kentucky you hear plenty of Reds nonsense and BS. For years the Reds have been a afterthought and now the Reds are suddenly top news because they won the division last year.Having their AAA team in Louisville makes me puke.Reds this Reds that …………………almost as bad as those cheating bastards University of Kentucky.Maybe Brennaman is under orders to keep stoking the fires to get some people to show up to the Reds games.
BW, why is that I sense you do not like BS and nonsense any more than I do?
DD has good D!
Anyone know anything about Jess Todd?
KS, I wrote 500 words about Todd yesterday on the main site. Here is the link.
What about a cliff notes version? Just kidding, you are always on top of things
From B.J. Rains:
La Russa on Brennaman: “He earned the right to get into the Hall of Fame and now he ought to keep earning that respect and quit abusing it.”
Good comment from Tony. Guys honored in the Hall should try to act like adults.
Little Danny D. sure love to shoe his arm………..and I like to watch………..
Garcia and Molina are doing a number on these guys. They got to be think take a few pitches and get to the BP…………..
Has Craig even handled a ball in this one?
Tony trying to give crdswmn nightmares by replacing Craig with Greene for defense!
And “Hands of Concrete” did not disappoint. &^%$(*&^%$$%^YT%%$ !!!!! Garcia should have the W.
Woods just throws a ball to the lf wall allowing the reds to tie the game on a sacrifice bunt……..
Jamie puts his glove over his mouth and takes the Lords name in vain…………….
How many here can guess why it was Greene instead of the best infielder on the team playing 2nd?
Alls well that ends well…………….except in Jamie arbitration hearing………………
Depends on which side of the table you are sitting.
Good problem to have.
Man Jaime has been excellent this year. I hate that he did not pick up the win yesterday as he was absolutely dominant.
Descalso and Jay stood out defensively.
Greene heard from the fans a couple times, I’m not sure if it would have come through on TV. Well deserved.
Albert took some really awkward looking swings, but when he hit it square he hit it hard. That ground ball single to left was smoked as was the double and the long foul to left. It was also obvious he was very frustrated when he hit into the DP. But he’s probably glad to have pulled ahead of Tyler in doubles. Now he’s tied with Skip and Laird.
Matt didn’t look too good at the dish.
Section 170 was full of twits. Twiters, whatever. Tweeting like crazy all game long. Enjoyed talking to some of them, but would have liked to confiscate all the iphones and put them in the desk drawer with the groucho glasses and chattering teeth. Very enjoyable time.
Descalso has been really good at third all year.
Yea I heard the boos for Greene on TV. Made me cringe. You could just sense his disappointment in dropping that pop up and costing Jaime the win.
Yesterday was the first time ALbert has actually looked like the old Albert to me. My guess is he is fixing to bust out.
Matt had to come down out of the stratosphere at some point. There was no way to remain as hot as he has been. He has looked mortal of late.
I heard the boos on TV too. Made me think we were playing in Citizens Bank Park instead of Busch. Booing your own players is crass. If I had been there I would have been booing the booers. I don’t like Tyler Greene as a player, but booing him didn’t fix things and it just made him feel worse I am sure.
Good to hear from you RC. I hope you come back more often from now on.
You just call them names on the internet!
Albert had a few swings yesterday in which he was “compelled” to keep his weight back and develop the bat head deeper in the zone……extend instead of just pulling his hands through……… he is being told that……….. he is still intent on validating his crouch and weight distribution…….. he evolved it….but is no longer the master of his own concepts……….. it happens in music all the time.
In all fairness………Matt Holiday has been seeing “garbage” for pitches lately…….almost always a conditional pitch around……………. last night with the bases loaded in the ninth…no outs….. he really disappointed me………. Nice long relaxed uppercut is all thats necessary…….hit the sac and move on…… he was hacking like a base hit was his objective, not the win…….Albert style……it almost cost the team…………. he knew he was going to get pitches in the strike zone…….and he was thinking batting average instead of best tactic…………Berkman got it done…………
Yea I agree WC, Matt appeared to be trying to do too much whereas Lance just stepped up to the plate, looked for a strike and put a nice easy swing on it….game over.
Its tough on you I guess when you are leading the majors in hitting. I guess you just want to keep on leading the majors in hitting
The pressure of trying to be the best can get to you sometimes I would think.
So, BB, they did actually speak out loud to one another and not simply tweet back and forth?
Some actually did Nut. Not the real pasty looking ones though.
There was a lot of tweeting about where each other was sitting, then they’d look around and actually interact after just knowing each other on-line. It was really pretty interesting and enjoyable for an old school guy. I did meet a couple of TCNB lurkers, one of which asked if RC was ligit.
Heh heh. Sounds amusing.
too legit to quit.
There’s allot of pressure to do routine things sometimes. If you watch the tape, Tyler breaks the old childhood rule……….”let the ball come to you, don’t reach for it”. He inexplicable just suddenly reached upward 6 inches, he face and eyes going on with the activity of having completed the catch………time traveling to his 6yr old period……………… Its happens all the time………but when it happens for money, it becomes interesting……revealing………..and as was said, he is pressing to cover some of his inadequacy’s ………… I think most of his insecurities arise from a weak hitting concept, which then has him pressing to be more “convincing” in his defensive performance……to justify his place on the team. He likely just earned himself a trip to Memphis or beyond.
Hi RC……….. Hope you’ve been having a successful season…..avoiding twisters and the like……….
Real good season WC. Had 6 soph’s in my starting 9. My number one(Jr) and two(soph) return and both won 10 games this year. So we were a really young team. I will have 5 pitchers next year that have touched 90 mph, which is remarkable. I said going in that my soph class was the best I had ever had and I’m sure I have 5 or 6 that will get drafted out of high school. Quite possibly have a first rounder in the mix with a couple capable of being top 5 round type players.
All that being said, this years team broke most of the offensiive records for Russell County high school with 6 soph’s starting…….won 34 games which is the third most all time for Russell County, and made it to the Final 4 in the state playoffs. Quite an achievement for a county school.
We missed on the tornado’s but we played against a team in the playoffs that had numerous players to lose their houses. A coach had had a kitchen fire a week earlier so he was at a local motel and the tornado actually took his house completely off of the foundation and didn’t leave a 2 by 4 according to him. The kitchen fire saved his life. It is amazing that over 200 people have yet to be found. I mean where did they go? That is simply incredible.
Hard work paying off is a good feeling. Developing momentum and keeping focus with so many gifted player…………is what you’re good at………..but always challenging, testing the boundaries of virtuosity. I know you know what I mean by that. Any system, by definition has boundaries.
I hope there is a Munchkin Land for the lost. Tornado’s that nasty have to be a little like a mulcher with that much shrapnel inside. If your tomato plants grow bigger……..all you can do is enjoy…..this is the yellow brick we’re on……….isn’t it?