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Pags’ squeeze a rare play

Friday night’s suicide squeeze by Matt Pagnozzi was the St. Louis Cardinals’ first in three years.

Matt Pagnozzi (AP Photo/Tom Gannam)St. Louis Cardinals rookie catcher Matt Pagnozzi executed a squeeze play in the sixth inning on Friday night, driving home the last of the Cardinals’ three runs in their win over the Colorado Rockies.

It was the first successful suicide squeeze for an RBI by a member of the Cardinals in almost three years. The last was been in April 2008 by pitcher Brad Thompson.

In the last 51 years, since 1960, the Cardinals have executed 146 sacrifice bunts that delivered an RBI. That averages slightly fewer than three per season. As recently as 2005, the Cardinals had 11 such plays, executed by 11 different players.

Hall of Famer Ozzie Smith led the way with 20 sac bunts for RBIs since 1960.

St. Louis Cardinals team leaders, sacrifice bunt RBI, 1960-2010

O.Smith 20
Forsch 7
Herr 7
Oquendo 6
Taguchi 5
LaValliere 4
Matheny 4
Pendleton 4

By a considerable margin, the 1980′s era Whiteyball was the most prevalent decade for this play.

St. Louis Cardinals, sacrifice bunt RBI by decade, 1960-2010

2000′s 31
1990′s 18
1980′s 68
1970′s 9
1960′s 17

The list of the previous 145 sacrifice bunts that delivered RBIs follows, all courtesy of researcher Tom Orf.

St. Louis Cardinals, sacrifice bunt RBI, 1960-2010

Date Batter Opp Pitcher Score BOP Pos Inn RoB Out RBI
4/8/2008 Brad Thompson @HOU Shawn Chacon tied 0-0 8 1 Out t2 123 1 1
8/15/2007 Brendan Ryan @MIL Yovani Gallardo ahead 1-5 9 4 Out t6 -23 1 1
9/10/2006 Jeff Suppan @ARI Tony Pena ahead 4-6 9 1 Out t6 -23 1 1
8/1/2006 Ronnie Belliard PHI Scott Mathieson down 3-1 7 4 Out b4 1-3 1 1
5/19/2006 So Taguchi @KCR Joel Peralta ahead 5-8 7 7 Out t5 3 1 1
4/24/2006 David Eckstein PIT Oliver Perez ahead 0-3 1 6 Out b2 1-3 1 1
9/17/2005 Mark Mulder @CHC Greg Maddux ahead 0-1 9 1 Out t2 1-3 1 1
9/2/2005 John Rodriguez @HOU Brad Lidge tied 3-3 5 7 Out t10 3 1 1
8/20/2005 Yadier Molina SFG Kevin Correia ahead 2-3 8 2 FC b6 -23 1 1
8/17/2005 Abraham Nunez ARI Brandon Webb ahead 0-4 2 5 Out b7 1-3 1 1
8/10/2005 So Taguchi @MIL Ben Sheets tied 0-0 3 9 Out t1 3 1 1
7/31/2005 Hector Luna @LAD Steve Schmoll ahead 2-4 7 5 Out t8 3 1 1
7/26/2005 Einar Diaz @SDP Woody Williams ahead 0-3 8 2 Out t6 1-3 1 1
7/6/2005 David Eckstein @ARI Javier Vazquez tied 1-1 1 6 Out t9 3 1 1
6/25/2005 Chris Carpenter PIT Mark Redman ahead 0-4 9 1 Out b4 1-3 1 1
6/6/2005 Matt Morris BOS Tim Wakefield ahead 1-2 9 1 Out b2 1-3 1 1
5/17/2005 Jeff Suppan @PHI Cory Lidle down 2-0 9 1 Out t2 1-3 1 1
9/18/2004 So Taguchi ARI Chad Durbin ahead 0-4 2 8 Out b7 123 1 1
5/11/2004 Mike Matheny ATL Jaret Wright ahead 1-2 8 2 RoE b6 1-3 1 1
4/29/2004 So Taguchi PHI Kevin Millwood tied 0-0 8 7 Out b5 3 1 1
4/22/2004 Hector Luna @HOU Dan Miceli tied 1-1 9 11 Out t12 3 1 1
9/16/2003 Bo Hart MIL Luis Martinez ahead 0-3 1 4 Out b2 3 1 1
8/24/2003 So Taguchi PHI Mike Williams ahead 0-2 9 9 Out b8 123 1 1
7/3/2003 Bo Hart SFG Kirk Rueter ahead 0-3 1 4 Out b2 1-3 1 1
4/27/2003 Orlando Palmeiro @FLA Tim Spooneybarger ahead 1-5 9 11 Out t9 3 1 1
9/10/2002 Miguel Cairo @MIL Jose Cabrera ahead 3-6 1 4 Out t8 -23 1 1
8/11/2002 Chuck Finley NYM Pedro Astacio tied 0-0 9 1 RoE b2 123 1 1
7/14/2002 Bud Smith @SDP Bobby Jones ahead 0-2 9 1 Out t6 1-3 1 1
6/1/2002 Mike Matheny PIT Bronson Arroyo ahead 0-5 8 2 Out b1 3 1 1
9/2/2001 Mike Matheny @LAD Kevin Brown tied 0-0 8 2 Out t2 123 1 1
7/27/2001 Mike Matheny @CHC Jason Bere ahead 1-2 8 2 Out t2 3 1 1
6/6/1999 Joe McEwing @DET Bryce Florie tied 1-1 1 4 RoE t5 1-3 1 1
9/22/1998 Luis Ordaz HOU Scott Elarton ahead 0-3 7 6 Out b6 123 1 1
9/16/1998 Joe McEwing PIT Jason Christiansen ahead 0-2 1 4 Out b7 -23 1 1
8/7/1998 Kent Bottenfield CHC Steve Trachsel tied 3-3 8 1 RoE b1 123 1 1
8/5/1998 Kent Mercker @MIL Jeff Juden ahead 1-3 8 1 FC t4 1-3 1 1
7/12/1998 Placido Polanco HOU Sean Bergman ahead 1-3 7 4 Out b3 123 1 1
4/25/1998 David Howard @PHI Yorkis Perez ahead 5-6 8 4 Out t8 3 1 1
5/24/1997 Andy Benes @SFG Joe Roa ahead 2-3 9 1 Out t4 123 1 1
4/15/1997 Brady Raggio @FLA Alex Fernandez ahead 0-3 9 1 Out t4 3 1 1
9/13/1996 Danny Sheaffer @LAD Mark Guthrie tied 0-0 7 2 Out t9 12- 0 1
9/12/1993 Rheal Cormier @SFG John Burkett ahead 1-2 9 1 Out t4 3 1 1
4/22/1993 Jose Oquendo COL Jeff Parrett ahead 2-4 8 6 Out b8 1-3 1 1
7/23/1992 Rheal Cormier CIN Jose Rijo tied 1-1 9 1 Out b2 1-3 0 1
8/25/1991 Tom Pagnozzi LAD Tim Belcher ahead 1-3 7 2 Out b6 -23 1 1
6/13/1991 Jose Oquendo @SDP Atlee Hammaker ahead 1-4 8 4 Out t5 1-3 1 1
9/9/1990 Bryn Smith @CHC Mike Bielecki ahead 0-2 9 1 Out t2 3 1 1
7/5/1990 Ozzie Smith @SDP Greg Harris ahead 1-2 2 6 Out t9 3 1 1
6/1/1990 Jose Oquendo CHC Greg Maddux ahead 1-2 8 4 Out b6 3 1 1
08/14/1989-2 Tim Jones ATL Paul Assenmacher ahead 2-4 7 6 Out b6 123 1 1
4/22/1989 Terry Pendleton MON Gene Harris ahead 2-3 3 5 FC b7 3 1 1
9/11/1988 Ozzie Smith CHC Mike Harkey tied 2-2 2 6 Out b7 3 1 1
9/5/1988 Ozzie Smith MON Jeff Parrett ahead 2-4 2 6 Out b7 3 1 1
8/24/1988 Jose Oquendo ATL Bruce Sutter ahead 3-4 7 4 Out b8 123 1 1
6/28/1988 Luis Alicea MON John Dopson tied 2-2 8 4 Out b6 1-3 1 1
6/23/1988 Ozzie Smith PHI Shane Rawley ahead 0-1 2 6 Out b7 3 1 1
6/4/1988 Jose Oquendo @PHI Kent Tekulve ahead 1-5 7 5 FC t8 123 1 1
4/30/1988 Luis Alicea @LAD Fernando Valenzuela ahead 0-1 8 4 FC t2 3 1 1
4/21/1988 Tom Herr @PIT Vicente Palacios ahead 3-7 4 4 Out t7 3 1 1
9/15/1987 Bob Forsch @PHI Kevin Gross ahead 0-2 9 1 Out t2 1-3 1 1
8/30/1987 Jose Oquendo ATL Gene Garber tied 3-3 7 4 FC b9 123 1 1
8/14/1987 Greg Mathews PHI Bruce Ruffin down 3-2 9 1 Out b2 1-3 1 1
6/28/1987 Ozzie Smith @MON Jeff Parrett tied 6-6 2 6 Out t11 3 1 1
6/14/1987 Tom Herr CHC Ed Lynch ahead 0-2 3 4 Out b7 3 1 1
6/13/1987 Ozzie Smith CHC Dickie Noles ahead 2-4 2 6 Out b7 1-3 1 1
5/19/1987 Rod Booker @ATL Rick Mahler tied 3-3 8 11 Out t7 1-3 1 1
5/12/1987 Joe Magrane @SFG Mike LaCoss ahead 1-5 9 1 Out t9 3 1 1
4/26/1987 Bob Forsch @NYM Randy Myers ahead 0-6 9 1 Out t5 3 1 1
9/21/1986 Mike LaValliere @MON Curt Brown ahead 2-6 7 2 Out t8 1-3 1 1
8/31/1986 Tom Herr CIN Carl Willis ahead 3-7 3 4 FC b6 3 1 1
8/13/1986 Danny Cox @MON Bryn Smith tied 1-1 9 1 Out t2 123 1 1
8/7/1986 John Tudor PHI Kevin Gross tied 2-2 9 1 RoE b6 1-3 1 1
8/4/1986 Terry Pendleton PHI Dan Schatzeder tied 2-2 5 5 FC b9 123 1 1
7/30/1986 Bob Forsch @PHI Charles Hudson ahead 0-1 9 1 Out t2 123 1 1
7/21/1986 Tom Herr SFG Steve Carlton tied 3-3 5 4 Out b6 3 1 1
6/29/1986 Mike LaValliere PHI Don Carman ahead 4-5 6 2 Out b8 -23 1 1
6/27/1986 Ozzie Smith PHI Shane Rawley down 1-0 2 6 RoE b5 3 1 1
6/24/1986 Terry Pendleton PIT Jim Winn ahead 1-2 7 5 Out b4 3 1 1
6/11/1986 Mike LaValliere MON Jeff Reardon down 3-2 6 11 Out b9 3 1 1
6/3/1986 Greg Mathews @HOU Jim Deshaies ahead 0-2 9 1 Out t5 3 1 1
5/11/1986 Mike LaValliere SFG Mike Krukow ahead 0-1 8 2 Out b2 3 1 1
5/8/1986 Ozzie Smith SDP Craig Lefferts tied 3-3 2 6 Out b6 1-3 1 1
9/20/1985 Ozzie Smith MON Randy St. Claire ahead 3-4 7 6 Out b8 3 1 1
8/26/1985 Ozzie Smith @CIN Jay Tibbs ahead 0-2 8 6 Out t2 3 1 1
6/23/1985 Randy Hunt CHC Lary Sorensen ahead 0-4 8 2 Out b6 1-3 1 1
6/18/1985 Tom Nieto PHI Larry Andersen ahead 0-4 8 2 Out b5 123 1 1
6/16/1985 Ozzie Smith @CHC Dennis Eckersley ahead 0-2 7 6 Out t4 123 1 1
6/14/1985 Tom Nieto @CHC Lary Sorensen ahead 4-5 8 2 RoE t6 3 1 1
5/28/1985 Tom Nieto @ATL Zane Smith ahead 0-2 8 2 RoE t4 3 1 1
5/26/1985 Terry Pendleton @CIN John Franco ahead 2-4 6 5 Out t8 1-3 1 1
5/20/1985 Ozzie Smith ATL Craig McMurtry ahead 0-5 2 6 Out b4 3 1 1
09/12/1984-2 Ozzie Smith @PHI Kevin Gross down 3-2 8 6 RoE t4 1-3 1 1
6/17/1984 Ozzie Smith NYM Bruce Berenyi ahead 1-3 8 6 Out b4 1-3 1 1
5/27/1984 Tom Herr @ATL Terry Forster ahead 8-11 2 4 Out t8 1-3 1 1
5/18/1984 Ozzie Smith CIN Tom Hume ahead 3-4 7 6 Out b8 1-3 1 1
4/27/1984 Ozzie Smith @MON Bob James ahead 2-5 8 6 RoE t8 1-3 1 1
9/22/1983 Jeff Doyle NYM Ron Darling ahead 0-1 2 4 Out b5 1-3 1 1
9/7/1983 Ken Oberkfell PIT Rod Scurry ahead 1-4 6 5 Out b7 3 1 1
9/4/1983 Glenn Brummer CIN Joe Price ahead 0-1 8 2 Out b2 1-3 1 1
8/19/1983 Andy Van Slyke HOU Mike Madden ahead 0-1 3 5 Out b8 123 1 1
6/21/1983 Neil Allen @NYM Tom Gorman ahead 0-3 9 1 Out t2 3 1 1
6/17/1983 Ozzie Smith CHC Chuck Rainey ahead 2-3 8 6 RoE b4 3 1 1
6/11/1983 Ozzie Smith @CHC Craig Lefferts tied 0-0 8 6 Out t2 3 1 1
4/15/1983 John Stuper NYM Scott Holman ahead 0-4 9 1 RoE b6 3 1 1
8/23/1982 Ozzie Smith LAD Terry Forster ahead 1-4 1 6 Out b6 123 1 1
8/14/1982 Mike Ramsey @PIT Kent Tekulve ahead 1-3 7 5 Out t8 3 1 1
8/13/1982 Bob Forsch @PIT Don Robinson down 2-1 9 1 Out t2 -23 1 1
8/3/1982 Ozzie Smith PIT Don Robinson ahead 1-3 8 6 Out b5 123 1 1
7/31/1982 Steve Mura @MON Dan Schatzeder ahead 0-6 9 1 Out t6 3 1 1
7/30/1982 Dave LaPoint @MON Scott Sanderson tied 3-3 9 1 FC t6 1-3 1 1
6/8/1982 Ken Oberkfell @MON Woodie Fryman ahead 3-4 2 5 Out t12 3 1 1
6/8/1982 Mike Ramsey @MON Steve Rogers down 2-1 9 11 Out t7 3 1 1
6/4/1982 Bob Forsch LAD Terry Forster ahead 2-4 9 1 Out b7 3 1 1
5/28/1982 Mike Ramsey SDP Juan Eichelberger ahead 1-3 8 4 Out b7 1-3 1 1
5/12/1981 Tom Herr @HOU Joe Sambito tied 2-2 8 4 RoE t10 3 1 1
8/3/1980 Tom Herr @LAD Rick Sutcliffe ahead 1-3 1 4 Out t9 1-3 1 1
7/16/1980 Pete Vuckovich SDP Bob Shirley ahead 0-2 9 1 Out b7 3 1 1
7/23/1976 Eric Rasmussen CHC Ray Burris tied 0-0 9 1 Out b3 3 1 1
6/21/1976 Lynn McGlothen NYM Bob Apodaca ahead 1-5 9 1 Out b5 1-3 1 1
6/3/1976 Bob Forsch PHI Larry Christenson ahead 0-2 9 1 Out b2 3 1 1
5/4/1976 John Denny @ATL Phil Niekro ahead 0-2 9 1 FC t2 1-3 1 1
8/24/1975 Al Hrabosky ATL Max Leon ahead 2-5 9 1 FC b8 -23 1 1
8/2/1975 Bob Forsch @CHC Milt Wilcox ahead 0-3 9 1 Out t9 1-3 1 1
8/25/1974 Lou Brock @LAD Andy Messersmith down 5-1 1 7 Out t3 3 1 1
9/14/1972 Mick Kelleher @MON Bill Stoneman ahead 0-1 8 6 Out t2 3 1 1
08/13/1972-1 Dal Maxvill @PIT Dock Ellis ahead 0-1 8 6 Out t7 1-3 1 1
7/12/1969 Jim Ellis PIT Steve Blass ahead 0-2 9 1 FC b2 1-3 1 1
9/1/1967 Dal Maxvill HOU Bruce Von Hoff ahead 0-2 8 6 Out b4 1-3 1 1
7/15/1966 Julian Javier @CIN Sammy Ellis ahead 1-2 8 4 Out t4 1-3 1 1
7/9/1966 Ray Washburn HOU Larry Dierker ahead 0-1 9 1 RoE b2 -23 1 1
7/5/1966 Phil Gagliano @SFG Ron Herbel ahead 1-2 2 5 Out t8 -23 1 1
09/05/1965-2 Ray Washburn NYM Rob Gardner tied 0-0 9 1 Out b5 1-3 1 1
7/4/1965 Bob Purkey @NYM Galen Cisco ahead 0-1 9 1 Out t2 123 0 1
06/13/1965-2 Bob Purkey MLN Hank Fischer ahead 0-1 9 1 FC b4 1-3 1 1
9/20/1964 Bill White @CIN Joe Nuxhall ahead 0-4 5 3 Out t3 3 1 1
05/10/1964-2 Ray Washburn @NYM Tom Sturdivant ahead 1-6 9 1 Out t6 3 1 1
5/3/1964 Dick Groat PIT Don Schwall ahead 3-5 2 6 Out b2 3 1 1
4/19/1964 Julian Javier @HOU Don Nottebart tied 1-1 8 4 Out t2 1-3 1 1
8/3/1963 Julian Javier PHI Cal McLish tied 0-0 7 4 Out b2 3 1 1
4/14/1962 Don Landrum @CHC Cal Koonce ahead 1-4 1 8 Out t6 1-3 1 1
9/1/1961 Jimmie Schaffer PIT Al McBean ahead 2-7 8 2 Out b7 1-3 1 1
06/20/1961-2 Bob Lillis @CIN Joey Jay ahead 0-4 8 4 Out t6 3 1 1
5/3/1961 Hal Smith PIT Vinegar Bend Mizell ahead 0-2 8 2 Out b5 3 1 1

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23 Responses to “Pags’ squeeze a rare play”

  1. crdswmn says:

    That was an exciting play. I watched the video muliple times.

    I have a ticket for tomorrow’s game. I would love to see more of the same.

  2. blingboy says:

    I remember the one on 6-11-86 because it was my oldest sons first game, took him for his 4th birthday. It was typical edge of your seat Whiteyball and the fans were going crazy. Bottom of the ninth Cards trailing by one run. Jack Clark led off with a double. Ozzie sacrificed him to third. Then Spanky LaValliere stepped up, Clark broke for the plate and Spanky laid down the bunt. Perfect suicide squeeze.

  3. blingboy says:

    Need a little help from some of you sabr wonks. The first quote is from the fangraphs article linked below, on Wainy, the second quote is a comment on the board following the article. I’m making a serious effort to understand this stuff, but I can’t quite follow. Thanks for any help.

    “In 2010, Wainwright has taken his curveball use to another level, increasing to 28.5% of his pitches and his strikeout rate to 8.26 K/9 and lowering his FIP to 2.86. He has not sacrificed control, lowering his walk rate to 2.21 BB/9. His curveball and slider, which may be more of a cutter, have been slightly less effective, but still very useful pitches. The significant change has occurred in the effectiveness of his fastball. Wainwright has decreased the number of fastballs thrown to a career low 46.5% of pitches. With this decrease has come a drastic increase in the effectiveness of the fastball without changing the velocity, moving to 1.00 wFB/C from last year’s total of -0.75 wFB/C.”

    “I think that, if you dig a bit deeper into the linear weights you’ll find that a LOT of this difference has to do with results on balls in play. Last year BABIP on his fastball was about 50 points higher than it is this year. I think that’s a more likely explanation for the turn around in value than the small decrease in fastball usage.”

    http://www.fangraphs.com/community/index.php/wainwright-throws-fewer-fastballs-increases-effectiveness/

  4. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    I wrote a very clever reply BB…………but then lost it by an inadvertent key pad touch………..must be Karma……………….

    A better way to look at it…………….. arm fatigue from too many curve balls……….grip fatigue from to many sliders…………………….. Pressure from longer counts because of developing fatigue yielding more predictable fastballs and locations as a result……….Pitching to contact earlier to elongate the chance for run support and wins…………… shorter periods in the dugout from first pitch swinging AHoles…………..etc, etc No FFFFFFFFFFing run support…………………………bottom line……..I told you they would get tired….and they did………………. This team was engineered to lose, and it did. ……………… there was a purpose it seems……………we will see soon enough…………………… If they yank on Tony’s chain , we will know about it………… If they were going to make a move for Westbrooke, it would be in the next 10 days, or there would at least be stories of an offer. Doubt it………… Ryan, bare handing a high bouncer deep in the hole, and making that throw against a speedster……..in a 0/0 game?????????? I would guess he thinks its him or Shu that may be goated…………… his motivation was par for the course……..Rasmus shaved his “sole patch”……….wow…….whats going on.

  5. JumboShrimp says:

    Love those “…………………………”es. So peaceful.

  6. JumboShrimp says:

    Its also hard to mis-spell, when typing “……………………..” No unsightly typos, like sole patch or revue.

  7. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    I always thought of it like a patch in a bums shoe Shrimp……………..it hardly seems soulful. Your drinking again Jumbo and that saddens me. You seemed lucid for a while. Get to a meeting.

  8. JumboShrimp says:

    After reading a few “……………………”es, I had a splendid night’s sleep. There is no reason for Cards fans to get misled or alienated by Westie’s thoughts and typos, if they instead just focus on the “……………………”es. These filler-dots are the CNB equivalent to a sleep-sound machine.

  9. JumboShrimp says:

    Its a happy day. Today is McDougle’s last in a Cards uniform.
    Who says Dave Duncan is always a miracle worker? Esteban Yan, Jorge Sosa, and McDougle say Dave is a mere mortal.

  10. JumboShrimp says:

    MacDougal is how his name is spelled. We are going to miss him next year, for games in which we are 10 runs down.

    This could also be the last day for some guys who have served well. Today will be the 108th start by Jeff Suppan in a Cards uniform. His record is 46 and 35 as a starter, 11 games over 500. Todays will be Suppan’s 411th ML start. That is a lot of work, more than 2,500 innings in the majors. A fine long career. Even in 2010, Suppan was a help, enabling the team to survive injuries to Penny and Ottavino.

    Little Aaron Miles reached the heights with TLR. 753 OPS in 2008 enabled Miles to land a nice contract from the Cubbies and he responded with a 466 OPS. Other teams dropped Miles for 2010, but not TLR. Miles bounced back with a 632 OPS in 2010, plus made two pitching appearances (no runs) and played SS yesterday.

    Randy Winn has a 697 OPS in limited play for the Cards in 2010. Winn helped out. 5 for 5 in steal attempts, 17 RBIs.

  11. JumboShrimp says:

    Not going to miss Pedro Feliz’s 482 OPS. Pedro needs to retire, let another player have a chance.

    Jake Westbrook will have a starting job next season, throwing 202 innings, with a 3.5 ERA for the Cards. Mo would like to retain him.

    Dennis Reyes will be a free agent, so the Cards will hunt for a replacement LOOGY.

  12. Nutlaw says:

    Heh. It seems that after the past couple of seasons, the thing that I most look forward to the following year is the Cardinals cutting dead weight. I’m with you, Jumbo.

    BB, those quotes are bursting with stats and information. Is there any part in particular that is giving you trouble? In essence, the first quote is asserting that by throwing his curveball more often and his fastball less often, Wainwright is giving up one fewer run than league average per 100 fastballs thrown this season as opposed to giving up 0.75 more runs than league average per 100 fastballs thrown last season. He’s saying that Wainwright’s pitches themselves didn’t actually change but that he started employing them more effectively.

    The quote in reply asserts that the improvement in Wainwright’s fastball performance this season is not due to using it less frequently but due to the fact that when opposing batters are making contact, they are ending up with fewer hits. From that quote, I’m not sure if he is attributing the difference in opposing batting average with balls in play from year to year to luck or to better placement that leads to more pop-ups and fewer line drives, for example.

  13. blingboy says:

    I was waiting for Jumbo to mention that in a few hours Albert will be a 5-10 guy. Un-noteworthy compared to Pedro, Winn and MacDougal??

  14. blingboy says:

    Thanks Nut, the plain english helps some. As you say, its thick, just to may interrelated factors to get a grip on. The thing that got my attention in the article is that it describes how Adam’s employment of his pitch selection has evolved through his career, with ever improving results, and I think, tries to propose a conclusion as to why and how.

    So, I was hoping maybe I might try to predict what further evolution might take place for next season, based upon what he has done in the past. But then the comment section threw new wrenches into it and dashed my hopes.

  15. Brian Walton says:

    Ref comment #13, while it is true that Albert is not quite officially a 10-and-5 player, realistically that occurred once the trade deadline passed.

  16. JumboShrimp says:

    IIRC, the Cards stated a few years ago that the business goal for their scouting/minors were to produce 3 players per year from the US and 2 from outside the US. How are they doing? There is systemic progress.

    In 2010, they added Jaime Garcia (US amateur signing), Freese (obtained by trade), and Hawksworth at the start of the season, and added Jon Jay later, with Allen Craig and Salas (international signing) as back and forthers with Memphis. Ottavino made a handful of starts too, Greene played a little. This probably adds up to 5 player years, meeting the goal.

    We could make an adjustment, subtracting Freese since a Padres signee, while adding Chris Perez (supplemental round pick in 2006 who is developing into a successful closer for the Indians). We had to sacrifice Perez to plug an emergent hole at 3B last year (when Glaus and Freese were both out of action). Perez was part payment for DeRosa, a deal promptly ruined by an injury to DeRosa.

    What about 2011? Its hard to say anyone at Memphis is as ready as Garcia and Freese were coming into spring training 2010. Craig, Salas, and Walters will be trying to establish themselves in the majors. It could work out. Pagnozzi, Anderson, Cruz and Hill are competing for LaRue’s vacancy during 2011-12, and they each have possibilities; its nice to have catching depth in the high minors. Another reliever, Sanchez could back and fro with Memphis. It seems like there is good systemic pitching depth at AA/AAA. Hamilton provides depth at 1B. I’d like to see them move Ottavino to reliever, since he had shoulder woes this summer and may not be able to hold up as a starter.

  17. blingboy says:

    In the baseball world there has been ever increasing emphasis on throwing harder and harder. Wainy has achieved increasing success by throwing less and less fastballs, relying instead on a superb curve, complemented by other non-fastball pitches. Chapman is said to have a great curve. Will he put in the effort to master it and follow in Wainy’s footsteps? He has alredy learned, in a very brief MLB career, that you can’t reliably throw a 100+ mph fastball past MLB hitters if they know its coming.

    I also wonder if Motte will be able to develop and master other pitches with that pronounced short-arm motion. I’ve brought that up before, and can’t remember if we identified any pitchers have/had pronounced short arm motion and have really good breaking stuff.

  18. JumboShrimp says:

    Descalso is a candidate for 2B by the middle of 2011. The Cards could begin him at Memphis, as with Jay in 2010. If he can improve during his second season at AAA, as did Jay, then he could move up during 2011, liberating Skip for a multi-purpose role at 2B/OF.

    3B is a problem, given chronic foot problems for Freese. Its not going to be easy for Mo to find a veteran on the free agent market. Andre Beltre will be pricey. If he does not resign with Boston, then the Sox will be shopping for a replacement and will grab up the next best possibility.

    The Cards have two long-shot internal candidates for 3B, Matt Carpenter from AA and Zach Cox from amateur ranks. If the Cards cant find a good veteran at a reasonable price, and if Freese cannot get healthy, then at least there are two internal Cinderella candidates.

  19. JumboShrimp says:

    It looks like the goal of 5 man years produced by rookies could be met next year (from among Craig, Walters, Salas, Ottavino, Pagnozzi, Sanchez, Descalso, etc.). The “system” of scouting/development is functioning.
    What the Cards could sure use is one effective starting pitcher candidate per year from the minors. Jaime Garcia illustrates the impact of a homegrown starting pitcher. The business plan will become more successful when there is more abundant production of home grown effective starting pitchers.

  20. JumboShrimp says:

    I looked back at the minor league record of J D Drew, in case this illustrates anything in relation to Zach Cox. Drew turned down the Phillies in 1997, when drafted after his junior year at Florida State. He played amateur ball in late summer 1997 and in spring 1998, before signing with the Cards. IIRC, Drew signed a ML deal, like Cox. Drew began at AA in 1998, hit well, got moved up to AAA, hit well, and got moved up to the Cards for Sept 1998, hitting well again. Then he had a 100 at bat warm up at Memphis in 1999, before being elevated for good. So Drew began at AA and did not spend much time in the minors.

    Drew played one more season of college ball and played a bit more indy league ball (while spurning the Phillies), so he had more amateur experience than has had Cox, who played two season for the Univ. of Arkansas. The Cards gave him a ML contract, as they did Drew. The Cards would probably expect Cox will need at least 1 to 2 years of minor league preparation, before being able to contribute in the majors.
    Brett Walllace is another useful comp as another accomplished collegiate hitter. Wallace moved up fast, but has still needed about two full seasons of minor league experience, before being given regular at bats by the Astros. If Cox can move up faster, it will be a Cinderella story.

  21. WestCoastbirdWatcher says:

    Not likely on Mott BB. The speed that he needs to accelerate is to short to use the exotic grips used by Wainwright and Carpenter. If you recall Wano ruptured a tendon by over gripping in 2008.

    Nut……… Wainwright is unlikely going to repeat this seasons results…………….he may well win 25 games in the future…………..but Tommy John hunts him now………he will need to do it another way.
    Statistic are masturbatory when you are partitioning the competitive field dialog to examine them. You will go blind……………….

    And for Jumbo as he heads back to the bench…………..this is Cardinal baseball……..the view in Mo’s office;

    http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/2aAXVm/www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w/r:f

  22. CariocaCardinal says:

    The guy who washes jock straps trying again to send someone to the bench. Hilarious!

  23. JumboShrimp says:

    CC, focusing on the “…………….”es can be soothing and peaceful.

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