St. Louis Cardinals outfielder Jon Jay has been a pleasant surprise covering in right field for the injured Ryan Ludwick. Jay comes into the break with an NL-best 11-game hitting streak (17-for-37, .459) and has hit safely in every game he’s started this year (19-for-46, .413). He does not yet qualify for the NL rookie leader board, but among those with at least 40 at-bats, Jay is on top with a .377 average.
The excitement is so high, a respected poster on The Cardinal Nation message board asked if Jay might be considered a legitimate contender for the National League Rookie of the Year. That is most likely out of the question, but there can be no argument that Jay has suitably impressed in his first season as a major leaguer.
In the minors, the former second-round pick from the University of Miami was touted as having the ability to become a future MLB batting champion. To date, Jay has been very good – a career .300 hitter in the minor leagues with a solid .800 OPS.
Jon Jay, career stats
| Jay | PA | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS |
| Minors | 1767 | 0.301 | 0.367 | 0.432 | 0.799 |
| Majors | 73 | 0.377 | 0.394 | 0.594 | 0.989 |
Not even watering down his minor league numbers by applying major league equivalencies, one has to expect that Jay will cool off substantially as a major leaguer, however. That doesn’t mean he can’t be a productive player, of course.
“If he keeps that up, he’s going to earn a lot of playing time,” manager Tony La Russa said after Jay doubled twice on Thursday.
Just to continue the legend of Jay one step further before moving on, Tom Orf offered a list of the top 30 Cardinals in team history in terms of slugging over their first 30 games. Well, truth be known, he gave me a list of over 300 names, but “30 in 30” has a nice ring. I wonder if that is registered.
Anyway, Jay is currently sixth all time in that narrow slice. There are some very familiar names and others who quickly slipped into obscurity listed below. Where will Jay fall?
Cardinals history, first 30 games, ranked by SLG
| Player | PA | AB | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS | SH | SF | IBB | HBP | GDP |
| Albert Pujols | 131 | 115 | 42 | 8 | 1 | 10 | 34 | 11 | 18 | .365 | .427 | .713 | 1.141 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 11 |
| J.D. Drew | 103 | 90 | 27 | 5 | 3 | 7 | 20 | 11 | 25 | .300 | .373 | .656 | 1.028 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 4 |
| Johnny Mize | 114 | 105 | 35 | 10 | 4 | 5 | 25 | 7 | 10 | .333 | .375 | .648 | 1.023 | 2 | 0 | 0 | ||
| Grant Dunlap | 17 | 17 | 6 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 2 | .353 | .353 | .647 | 1.000 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| Fred Whitfield | 69 | 66 | 22 | 4 | 0 | 5 | 19 | 3 | 7 | .333 | .362 | .621 | .984 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5 |
| Jon Jay | 61 | 57 | 21 | 5 | 0 | 3 | 9 | 2 | 10 | .368 | .377 | .614 | .991 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
| Eddie Dyer | 38 | 36 | 12 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 5 | 2 | 4 | .333 | .368 | .611 | .980 | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||
| Ripper Collins | 84 | 78 | 29 | 5 | 5 | 1 | 18 | 4 | 7 | .372 | .417 | .603 | 1.019 | 0 | 0 | 2 | ||
| Wally Moon | 138 | 114 | 41 | 6 | 2 | 5 | 15 | 22 | 10 | .360 | .464 | .579 | 1.043 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| Don Gutteridge | 116 | 111 | 37 | 4 | 5 | 4 | 21 | 4 | 16 | .333 | .357 | .568 | .924 | 1 | 0 | 0 | ||
| George Puccinelli | 87 | 82 | 27 | 7 | 0 | 4 | 13 | 5 | 9 | .329 | .368 | .561 | .929 | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||
| George Watkins | 87 | 75 | 24 | 5 | 2 | 3 | 21 | 8 | 18 | .320 | .393 | .560 | .953 | 3 | 0 | 1 | ||
| Jim Bottomley | 130 | 120 | 42 | 6 | 5 | 3 | 26 | 6 | 11 | .350 | .391 | .558 | .949 | 2 | 0 | 2 | ||
| Hal Smith | 98 | 88 | 32 | 8 | 0 | 3 | 14 | 10 | 8 | .364 | .429 | .557 | .985 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 3 |
| Stu Martin | 105 | 92 | 34 | 8 | 0 | 3 | 12 | 11 | 7 | .370 | .437 | .554 | .991 | 2 | 0 | 0 | ||
| Johnny Schulte | 78 | 56 | 15 | 2 | 1 | 4 | 16 | 20 | 7 | .268 | .461 | .554 | 1.014 | 2 | 0 | 0 | ||
| Wally Roettger | 102 | 93 | 35 | 6 | 2 | 2 | 17 | 5 | 9 | .376 | .408 | .548 | .957 | 4 | 0 | 0 | ||
| Ernie Orsatti | 117 | 104 | 35 | 9 | 3 | 2 | 15 | 11 | 15 | .337 | .400 | .538 | .938 | 2 | 0 | 0 | ||
| Curt Ford | 78 | 67 | 23 | 8 | 1 | 1 | 7 | 10 | 9 | .343 | .429 | .537 | .966 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Chris Duncan | 66 | 62 | 16 | 3 | 1 | 4 | 12 | 1 | 22 | .258 | .288 | .532 | .820 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 3 |
| Bill DeLancey | 78 | 72 | 20 | 4 | 4 | 2 | 8 | 6 | 8 | .278 | .333 | .528 | .861 | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||
| Bill Virdon | 132 | 118 | 40 | 5 | 1 | 5 | 11 | 13 | 14 | .339 | .405 | .525 | .930 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 |
| Joe Cunningham | 132 | 117 | 34 | 7 | 1 | 6 | 21 | 14 | 13 | .291 | .371 | .521 | .893 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
| Bill Lewis | 38 | 35 | 14 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 8 | 2 | 3 | .400 | .432 | .514 | .947 | 1 | 0 | 0 | ||
| Joe Mather | 85 | 78 | 21 | 4 | 0 | 5 | 12 | 7 | 17 | .269 | .329 | .513 | .842 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Al Grabowski | 45 | 43 | 16 | 4 | 1 | 0 | 6 | 1 | 7 | .372 | .386 | .512 | .898 | 1 | 0 | 0 | ||
| Joe Medwick | 124 | 120 | 39 | 12 | 2 | 2 | 12 | 2 | 12 | .325 | .341 | .508 | .850 | 1 | 0 | 1 | ||
| Tom Alston | 129 | 113 | 33 | 10 | 1 | 4 | 27 | 14 | 13 | .292 | .372 | .504 | .877 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 3 |
| Micah Franklin | 37 | 34 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 10 | .324 | .378 | .500 | .878 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Brian Jordan | 117 | 112 | 28 | 8 | 2 | 5 | 20 | 5 | 25 | .250 | .282 | .491 | .773 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 2 |
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If he stays up (assured)……Randy Winn will be shipped…….or they will send Stava down for more playing time…….can’t keep them all. I will be curious to see if they wait tell after the Dodgers series.
I think we have to keep him. Release Winn.
I suppose that there is a chance that they might also release Miles instead. They went with six outfielders before (not that I agreed with it). Maybe they wait for Freese to come back to make that move, however.
If Jon never appreciably diminishes from his current productivity at the Major League Level, he will depart from a long list of players who had so phenomenally and mercurially risen from AAA in the past and thrilled us… before rapidly disappearing into oblivion. While it is true that “one has to expect that Jay will cool off substantially as a major leaguer”, the expectation that he will still remain “a productive player” is not unrealistic. If Jon cools-off to be little more than an annual .280/25 homer hitter, he would yet retain tremendous value. The fact that his fantastic hitting streak may end during the series with the Dodgers will mean neither that he’s fizzling-out nor that his value at the major league level will be diminishing. I will continue to ride his wave and then I will not be too terribly disappointed when the wave eventually and inevitably washes to shore.
In order to keep the services of Jon, along with maintaining the accent on youthful vitality and invigoration, it matters not to me if the Cardinals shed either Winn or Miles (or both!).
Among the most recent in that “long list of players who had so phenomenally and mercurially risen from AAA in the past and thrilled us… before rapidly disappearing into oblivion”, we will never forget Bo Hart (2003) and Joe McEwing (1999 – the guy whose infectious enthusiasm was such that he always played as though it were the bottom of the 9th in the 7th game of the World Series).
Sorry to venture off topic, but today is Yadi’s birthday. Just thought I would mention it.
crdswmn: When I first joined this blog, Brian was quick to inform me that there ain’t no such thing as venturing “off topic”. Since then, I’ve learned that each of these threads take on a life of their own and sometimes diverge into many different directions.
I have this masochistic tendency to read comments on the MLB website. An article on the ASG failed to mention Adam as one of the NL’s elite pitchers. Of course this was pointed out in the comments, but some idiot commented that Adam was omitted because he was not a “top tier” pitcher. He was immediately jumped on. Even a Yankee fan gave the idiot a drubbing. It was nice to see that non
Cardinal fans see Adam as the great pitcher that he is.
Jay’s LD rate =11% (about 40% below the major league avg.)
Jays BABIP = .434 (about 40% above the major league average)
Using the LD% plus .120 to approximate BA Jay should be hitting about .230 right now. Doesn’t look good for his chances to sustain unless he actually starts hitting “better”.
Thank you for sharing, CC. Very telling data.
Jay has a superior appetite…and attitude from what I’m seeing……..if he can hold that, experience will bring the rest. Right now he seems uninhibited…………that ain’t easy around here.
I saw the potential in Jon from his first at bat this season. I’m excited that he is getting more playing time.
While Jay has undoubtedly been lucky to date, I’m guessing that he’ll probably manage higher than a 11% line drive rate with a larger sample size. I don’t have minor league line drive data available to compare with, however.
I’m also worried that Jay has 13 strike outs and only two walks.
Freese and Jay both started out hot, putting up numbers which their minor league stats show will not be sustained. Freese cooled off a lot before he went down and Jay will do the same.
I notice that Albert grounded into DP at a higher rate his first 30 games than he has this season. So maybe it shouldn’t be seen as evidence to support one theory or another that have been bandied about.
I’m also worried that Jay has 13 strike outs and only two walks.???????????
look where he’s batting………………..they’re going after him. Ya gotta pitch to somebody.
Nut, Jay has a 18.5% LD rate this year in the minors and a 19.8% for his career.
You can find the info at MinorleagueSplits.com or at FirstInning.com
Wonder how Yadi likes catching Jiminez?
Season stats, Westie, not last few game stats. Less than 25% of his ABs occurred above the number five spot in the order.
Thanks, CC!
Jay is not going to consistently slug in the Majors well above his prior history and biological limits. The .614 slugging percentage is a small n aberration. An OPS of around 750-823.66 is plausible, in the long run.
This is very helpful. His strength is getting on base as a table setter. Jay is also a smart baserunner, with a high success rate, even though he is not especially fleet of foot.
Jay lost most of the 2007 season to a shoulder injury. This delayed his ascent to the Majors. He had a good rookie year at Memphis, then took it up a notch in 2010. Hes a good ballplayer and ready to contribute.
Carioca, I do not understand the unexplained significance of a line drive rate. Can you please explain why I should care if Jay’s line drive rate is 40 percent lower than average. Maybe his game is not to aim for line drives, but to contribute some bunts and grounders. He is a hitter for average and in that respect above average, like all the children of Lake Woebegone.
Yadi got the 2nd hit for the NL! LOL
Line drives result in hits, Jumbo. If you want to be a successful hitter, you want to hit line drives. One estimate has it that line drives fall in for hits about 75% of the time.
Jumbo, there is a high positive correlation between LD rates and BABIP which helps determine batting average. To get a high BABIP w/ a low LD rate is difficult and most would consider unsustainable. As the BABIP drops to coincide with the low LD rate, his average will drop. The inverse is also true. Brendon Ryan right now has a slightly above normal LD rate but a low BABIP. Chances are if he keeps his LD rate up his BABIP will start to rise to normal levels and his average along with it.
There is some recent research that indicates LD rates may not be the key as much the lack of flyballs (particularly infield flies) but I’m not sure that Jay’s flyball rate is particularly low.
For instance, Pujols’ career numbers on type of ball hit:
Fly ball: .210 AVG, .682 SLG
Ground ball: .263 AVG, .292 SLG
Line drive: .815 AVG, 1.292 SLG
Certainly, the lack of pop ups is key, CC. The brains are working on separating that hit type of late, no?
How is it that you change production? Should we adjust the video machines to decoy are hitters into a more positive targeting aspiration……………….. Maybe just tilt the monitors 5 degrees so they start hitting the top of the ball instead of the bottom??????????????…………… or just go wild and tweak the vertical framing so they only swing a strikes…………..
Better idea………….we sneak in and cut down their tee’s and inch……………..
Nutlaw, its probably best not to equate line drive rate with batting average. Some guys are line drive hitters (Pujols and Holliday for two). A smaller man like Jay may not aim for as many line drives, because they will tend not to carry as far. He can bunt. He can put the ball in play on the ground, as I suggested earlier, with the happy collateral effect of avoiding pop ups (an active area of “research”.)
As I recall, longtime OF Al Oliver used to complain that he hit too many line drives, such that it hurt his batting average, he believed, because so many were snagged. Al got about 9,000 ML at bats. He seldom went above 20 homers. A very good hitter, even if undone by line drives.
Dahmboys, btw, Jon Jay is never going to hit 20 HRs in a season. 10 would be excellent, for Jay.
Its fine to center the ball on a sweet spot and lace line drives. The trick in baseball is how to do this. If research could tell players this, each would be above average, as in Minnesota.
It would be rather neat if Scott Rolen and Matt Holliday ended up scoring the tying and winning runs for the NL tonight.
Jumbo, while you are certainly well within your rights to believe what you will, this is not an argument that you have any hope of winning. It is, without question, best to equate line drive rate with batting average of balls in play. A vague remembrance of some player complaining about line drives does not stand up to actual statistical research.
While I don’t have stats on Oliver’s line drive rates, Jay’s limited sample size shows:
GB: .464 AVG, .536 SLG
FB: .333 AVG, .857 SLG
LD: .833 AVG, 1.167 SLG
Or what about soft hitting Brendan Ryan:
GB: .249 AVG, .287 SLG
FB: .112 AVG, .251 SLG
LD: .739 AVG, .981 SLG
Or soft hitting Skip Schumaker:
GB: .227 AVG, .245 SLG
FB: .234 AVG, .525 SLG
LD: .721 AVG, .911 SLG
Some players might want to hit ground balls rather than fly balls, but all players want to hit line drives unless they have absolutely no idea what they are doing.
It was nice of Wainwright to overcome Holliday’s shaky defense there.
In the National League’s long-sought All-Star Game victory, our guys fared well: While both Matt and Yadier each had one of the seven hits, Matt has the distinction of scoring one of the 3 runs. Adam has the distinction of being one of only two National League pitchers to record 2 strikeouts.
Jumbeau: In your rambunctious cause of animosity, you’ve once again placed yourself on a limb and sawed it off! In complete disregard for Carioca’s indisputable proof of the fact that “If you want to be a successful hitter, you want to hit line drives” and in complete disregard for Nutlaw’s abundantly substantiated assurance that “this is not an argument that you have any hope of winning”, you still have the temerity and audacity to say something, for sheer spite, so ridiculous as “Jon Jay is never going to hit 20 HRs in a season”. A wise philosopher once said, “It is better to shut one’s mouth and be thought ignorant, than to open it and remove all doubt.”
While I’ve always believed that, from pitcher’s perspective, inducing ground balls is far safer than allowing for fly balls, I am now absolutely persuaded by the studies provided by Carioca and Nutlaw that “all players want to hit line drives unless they have absolutely no idea what they are doing”.
Our guys did good. Waino rocks!
Thank you Carioca and Nutlaw for continuing to cause me to think and to make me smart. I absolutely love the comparison of Jon Jay’s limited sample with the career of the greatest hitter in Major League Baseball:
Albert Pujols
GB: .263 AVG, .292 SLG
FB: .210 AVG, .682 SLG
LD: .815 AVG, 1.292 SLG
Jon Jay
GB: .464 AVG, .536 SLG
FB: .333 AVG, .857 SLG
LD: .833 AVG, 1.167 SLG
What I see in this comparison is both potential and promise in the youngster: I am so hopeful that Jon won’t become just another Bo Hart or Joe McEwing.
We hit in factions now……………. Pujols has created a space between the stats/video guys and MM. Yadi hides there.
All MM could do is complain to the press about the video annalists and their presentations dominating our hitters sensibilities. We …CLEARLY…have quite a number of self interested ball players who well understand where and how to mine the gold………….. It seems apparent to me that when DD had Chris D. on the team, he clearly was prepping him, in the style of a pitching coaches breakdown of probable pitching tactics and there solutions……………….it didn’t work. Quite to the contrary, it turned Chris’ at bats into a travesty of unpredictable pitch selections based on counts and probable location……………………. that attitude has lingered unfortunately.
You can’t teach hitting that way……….. a hitter must recognize the strike zone. Off speed tendencies and pitch recognition must be be introduced only as a solution to resolving a hitters complications as they apply to situational privileges.
Colby has been right behind AP in hitting arrogance………….Jay sees weakness all around him, so he is just going after pitches that are crowding his strike zone…………..Molina I think felt the vibe at the game tonight and even with only two catchers, he saw limited time. He should settle down some.
I’m so looking forward to the La series…………. if we are swept, we may see an impact player for Brendan Ryan………… if we go 2/3…….probably nothing………………… I’m watching both Penny and Lohse with some interest.
Dahmboys, when Jay hits 20 homers in a year, then you will be revealed to be wise and I shall be delighted to acknowledge this. Happily too for me, I doubt that I shall have to do so. In the article by Domeboys above, it was reported Jay’s minor league slugging percentage was .432 for 1,767 at bats. This stat could have been dampened a little by Jay’s shoulder problem in 2007, but its not a number that justifies your expectation of 25 HRs. Minor league histories are often good data for projecting ML performance.
Nutlaw, re 31, I dont think I was advancing an argument against line drives, rather offering a wry humored recollection of something Al Oliver said that struck me as odd. He was then among the NL leaders in batting averages for the Pirates and lacing line drives. Yet, Al was complaining about how line drives were holding him back. This seemed unfair, in keeping with some other things in life, and curiously unlikely too.
Carioca reported Jay’s minor league history line drive rate was 19.8, yet his initial ML LD rate is only 11 percent. This suggests as Jay sees more ML pitchs and gets more comfortable, his LD rate in the Majors will rise in the future.
CFS, don’t get too excited by Jay’s numbers to date. It is a very small sample size. He has been getting lucky with the placement of his fly balls and ground balls to date. There is no chance that his ground balls and fly balls will continue to fall for hits at this rate, so this is actually discouraging news for him (not that anyone expects him to continue at his current rate of production).
In fairness to Al Oliver, his context may have been about why he was not hitting more HRs. Oliver may have preferred to hit more doubles in the gaps with liners than elevate for more HRs, a reasonable decision in many cases.
Home field advantage is going to be sweet.
The biggest factor for Jay in the second half will be playing time.
Roger that, Nutlaw. Knowing full well that I was comparing a “limited sample with the career of the greatest hitter in Major League Baseball”, I am yet seeing “both potential and promise in the youngster” and shall continue to be “hopeful that Jon won’t become just another Bo Hart or Joe McEwing”.
I’m with you, blingboy, but Nutlaw is correct that Jon’s been hittin’ ‘em where they ain’t. It’s just a matter of time when the percentages catch-up and one fly ball after another will land in the glove of an outfielder. I am quite prepared for the inevitable reduction, but continue to be hopeful that he will finish this season (and next) with about a .280 average. I also have no doubt that he will bash a total of 10 homers in his grand total of a half-season of play and, if he is allowed a full season next year, I am realistically hopeful that he will hit about 20.
Just exactly how bad we need an impact bat, or an impact clubhouse guy should become clear by the end of the homestand, or the homestand and the series at Wrigley. We’re either pulling it together or we’re not. If the need proves great enough, we seem to have two legit center fielders, or two legit right fielders plus Craig. We also have two young hard throwers in Motte and Boggs. I’m not going to put too much emotional energy into who will do what in the second half until we know who will be here.
My fear is that Mo will make a move to shore up the rotation, an area that has not been costing us wins. Unless he can steel a guy.
Alex Gonzales to the Braves.
The rotation for LA is Carp, Garcia, Wainy, Suppan.
This from Goold: “Suppan is pitching against the Dodgers because the Cards didn’t want him going against the Phillies”.
I take it the Phillies series would be Hawk, Carp, Garcia, Wainy. That would have us going into Wrigley with Sup followed by Hawk, don’t like that.
For precisely the reason that I winced and cringed each time that you listed Suppan, I’ve been hoping that the front office is seriously considering a marquee starter, rather than an impact batter. On the other hand, if our offense behaves with anything resembling consistency, the 4 or 5 runs that Suppan is likely to give up each time will be nothing that we can’t overcome…
bb……..for a start……….they aren’t going to be babying Penny once he says it doesn’t hurt. Its going to be slam bam ” we don’t care about your record anymore” you can pitch your way back into shape up here. His worst effort is going to be better than Soup’s tee ball clinic……….and better than the any of the other alternatives………………..as far as I’m concerned, Penny is still looking for a way out………I’m watching that. If they happen to be collecting $$ on Lohse, they may invest it in another player……….. probability 1/3…………
Albert Pujols. I spoke Tuesday with Pujols’ agent, Dan Lozano. He told me that he expects the Cardinals to pick up Pujols’ $16 million option for 2011 (duh!) and Pujols is willing to talk about a new contract in the offseason.
John Mozeliak confirmed on Twitter that the team won’t initiate discussions before then.
However, Lozano added that he is not 100 percent sure that such a deal would get done. The issue remains the same, and this is me talking, not the agent:
Are the Cardinals willing to make Pujols the highest-paid player in the game?
This is a response to the preemptive comments by BD on the weekend. This means BD is confident in certain agreements and probable outcomes. In other words, he is betting the market to go down……….now isn’t that encouraging………….. let me see…….how do you make a market go down???????????? since were talking 80/100 million dollars worth of play in that contract? Tweet
If you want to read something interesting, check out the viva elbiros site……… Dan U appears to have lost his mind………. and there is nary a ripple of dissonance running down their mystery dialog in response. It would appear that quite a number of folks are lost in our current conundrum.
Westie continues to plagiarize without so much as quotes let alone proper attribution.
When Lozano speaks directly to Westie, its only to say, “hey Goofus, you missed a spot,” when Westie is mowing his lawn.
Westcoast knows everyone here is informed “water cooler boy”…….. everyone reads the rumors, including you it would seem………… to no one in particular…………….
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Albert Pujols. I spoke Tuesday with Pujols’ agent, Dan Lozano. He told me that he expects the Cardinals to pick up Pujols’ $16 million option for 2011 (duh!) and Pujols is willing to talk about a new contract in the offseason.
John Mozeliak confirmed on Twitter that the team won’t initiate discussions before then.
However, Lozano added that he is not 100 percent sure that such a deal would get done. The issue remains the same, and this is me talking, not the agent:
Are the Cardinals willing to make Pujols the highest-paid player in the game?
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This is a response to the preemptive comments by BD on the weekend. This means BD is confident in certain agreements and probable outcomes. In other words, he is betting the market to go down……….now isn’t that encouraging………….. let me see…….how do you make a market go down???????????? since were talking 80/100 million dollars worth of play in that contract? Tweet
If you want to read something interesting, check out the viva elbiros site……… Dan U appears to have lost his mind………. and there is nary a ripple of dissonance running down their mystery dialog in response. It would appear that quite a number of folks are lost in our current conundrum.
BD will offer to make Albert the highest paid player in the game, on a per annum basis. Albert has earned it.
If some other team wants to pay Albert $40MM/yr, we adore Albert and wish him all the best.
I say give the guy his 30 mil a year and let him rule St. Louis until he decides to give it up. He’s a stud and there ain’t no denying that fact. His numbers are nearing stuff thats never been done before and thats pretty darn good in my book.
It reminds me of the movie Tombstone, after a shootout someone asks Doc Holiday where is Wyatt? Doc replies, “he’s down there by the creek walking on water.”
Every time I see one of those Dos Equis commercials I think the only way they could be any better is if they would put Albert on there saying those things.
Westie can’t even tell the difference between people being informed and being able to use google. He’s not as intelligent as some people on here seem to think. Heck, he can’t even read the posting guidelines:
“When you do post, do not copy entire articles from other sites. A small excerpt is ok when either a link or proper attribution is provided with it. Quote properly and give credit where credit is due and you will be fine.”
Remember, one doesn’t get paid when suspended.