St. Louis Cardinals starter Jaime Garcia already has three no-decision shutout outings this season.
Once again, St. Louis Cardinals rookie left-hander Jaime Garcia suffered due to lack of offensive support on Wednesday night in San Diego. The 23-year-old went six scoreless innings, allowing three hits and four walks. He departed with the score 0-0 in a game eventually won by the Padres, 2-1 in 13 innings.
It was Garcia’s third no decision when not allowing a run this season. No one else in the major leagues has more than one such game.
Further, no other Cardinal since at least 1952 has been presented with such little support while pitching so well in three starts of five or more innings.
Jaime Garcia: no decisions, 2010
| Date | Opp | Rslt | App,Dec | IP | H | R | ER | BB | SO |
| 4/17/2010 | NYM | L 1-2 | GS-7 | 7 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 5 |
| 5/19/2010 | FLA | L 1-5 | GS-5 | 5 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 6 |
| 5/26/2010 | SDP | L 1-2 | GS-6 | 6 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 3 |
Several Cardinals have come close to Garcia’s run of tough luck in the past.
During last season, Chris Carpenter had three shutout no-decision starts. One was not of regulation length, just three innings.
Chris Carpenter: no decisions, 2009
| Date | Opp | Rslt | App,Dec | IP | H | R | ER | BB | SO |
| 4/14/2009 | ARI | L 6-7 | GS-3 | 3 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
| 5/25/2009 | MIL | L 0-1 | GS-8 | 8 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 10 |
| 9/19/2009 | CHC | W 2-1 | GS-8 | 8 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 4 |
In May 1980, John Fulgham may have had the worst short stretch of non support ever. He was presented with no-decisions in three consecutive shutout outings, but his first start was only four innings.
John Fulgham: no decisions, 1980
| Date | Opp | Rslt | App,Dec | IP | H | R | ER | BB | SO |
| 5/17/1980 | SFG | L 2-4 | GS-4 | 4 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5 |
| 5/23/1980 | SDP | L 0-2 | GS-8 | 8 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 4 |
| 5/28/1980 | NYM | L 5-6 | GS-7 | 7 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 2 |
Thanks to researcher Tom Orf for providing the tables shown above.
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Is it really hard luck? It isn’t as though the team is hitting well most other days.
The Salas move likely sends K-Mac into the rotation. I would say Skip will be headed to a
multipurpose roll.
This is a very provocative time for the Cardinals. I will remind you……that none if it is unforeseen.
BD is in a leverage position Pujol/LaRussa are on the mat. It is really just getting started so you may as well sit back and watch the show. Albert is like the mythic Godzilla struggling against some super monster, leveling all of Tokyo in his struggle for “biggest monster status”. Tony is taking a beating as his handler………………After Tony’s careless statements on who is paid to play where, it makes it a little difficult to move Holiday to safety without breaking with AP’s agenda. Keep in mind, BD is making huge profits on many fronts at the present time. He is a player. He should not be underestimated in his dedication or ability to realize his vision.
Nutlaw, no other MLB starter has even one no-decision going five shutout innings or more and Garcia has three. That sounds like hard luck to me.
WC, no way on McClellan. Ottavino is already with the team though the roster moves (Mather down?) have not yet been announced.
Thanks Brian. The embellishment of the BPen is a little surprising then. Is Hawksworth sick?
WC, you didnt watch the game last night?
Will Carroll article on Lohse and Noah Lowry a pitcher who had the surgery.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=10990
This is for Bling and Westie or any other classical music lovers out there. http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/entertainment/stories.nsf/stage/story/A05B2845035181AB8625772E00167C45?OpenDocument
Brian, Here you go, the system…..
http://interact.stltoday.com/blogzone/bernies-extra-points/bernies-extra-points/bernies-5-minutes/2010/05/daily-bernie-bytes-pujols-holliday-malfunction-poor-base-running/
What takes place on the field lies on the shoulders of whose implementing the strategies..
From what I’ve read, I’d put Lohse in relief and see if he can pitch effectively for an inning or 2 at a time. If he’s not effective, go ahead with the surgery. If he is effective, decide at the start of the off season if you want to due the surgery of let Lohse continue as an expensive reliever.
If you do the surgery now, you probably lose him for the season anyway so why not try the relief option for now and do the surgery in the off season.
RC, the base running stats there were quite interesting. Bernie’s take on players’ abilities to hit with runners in scoring position makes me want to gouge my eyes out, however.
Brian, I’ll grant that Garcia is an outstanding pitcher backed by a mediocre offense. I guess that it isn’t surprising to me to see either starting pitcher in a Cardinals game avoid allowed runs lately.
The Bernie column linked above:
“The beginning and pretty much the end of the Cardinals’ offensive issues are centered on Pujols and Holliday”.
Ya think? All of the lineup juggling above and below the problem area is just noise. I am reminded that one definition of insanity is doing the same thing you just did and expecting a different result.
Matt had a pretty good at bat here in the first, but of course, utterly failed to do his job.
With all the confusion and misdirection concerning Lohse, coupled with other Cardinal move, adding recent comments by Al quoting Tony………………it does appear that they were (are) negotiating with someone.
You can’t expect Walters to continue this without giving up a few. We need 3 or 4.
Brendan leads an assault on AP’s masculine sensibilities. And it works.
Finally Albert, My fantasy team appreciates you..
Brendan lives ! !
MH having better ABs.
Walters 74 pitches through 4.
Holiday has closed his stance even more. He is determined to cover the outside. That’s a start.
Proud of PJ tonight. He has done an excellent job thus far. Really good stuff.
Brad who?
Walters handled adversity well. Two different times he could have folded after the defense didn’t make plays, but he stayed with it.
I thought I read that Mather went down? I’m glade they are taking PJ out. He did a great job and was hauling quite a load out there………. Tony/Dave are good with those considerations.
I thought Mather got optioned out today. What gives?
Strauss jumped the gun. It would make no sense to send Mather down today since you dont have to activate Ottavino until Saturday.
LeBlanc versus Walters is the battle between 2006 draftees out of U of Alabama versus U of S Alabama. LeBlanc was Baseball America freshman of the year in 2004 and because a lefty was gobbled up in the second round, after the Cards chose Brad Furnish. Nice to see that Brendan Ryan knows how to hit a soft tossing lefty.
I have this feeling Mather thinks he’s headed down now to BB. I think PJ’s energy helped focus some. Brendan maybe. And of course Brendan’s phoenix impersonation broke the ice for AP. Lets hope Hawksworth brings something.
Every time the Cards score a run, it looks so immense, the umps should let them line up to kick an extra point.
I have visions of Charlie Brown and Lucy…
Jumbo, you know all lefties are Koufax when they play us.
Nice one Matt.
Brendan has this thing. I hated to see him come up against his own mortality.
If Jerry Hairston Jr. plays everyday against the Cards, he will beat McGwire into the HoF.
It is reported Lohse will have an operation tomorrow. I dont understand the hurry. They did not diagnose Kyle’s problem for a year, now he immediately needs an operation? Go figure.
If the Cards are thinking about signing a replacement, could it be out old pal Braden Looper?
With 4 solid starters why would we need to go outside the org for a fifth? Between Walters, Ottavino, MacLane, Lynn, and whoever else, we ought to have a serviceable guy. Find out if any of these guys can pitch.
Hopefully Salus can break in tomorrow mopping up after Carp goes 8 with a big lead. All our warning track shots will be in the seats at Wrigley.
I like giving opportunity to Ottavino, Lynn, Dickson, etc. But Mo must be under pressure from TLR to do something. Hopefully, Mo will just go through the motions and later tell TLR it did not work out. Much as I live Looper’s professionalism, lets go younger.
PJ threw 93 pitches to get through 5 innings. That’s a lot. Same as he did in AAA. If he can give 5 quality innings each time, I think we can go with that, considering our other 4 can go deep.
But I would think several of the Memphis guys could go 5, so he better stay sharp.
It was great seeing him do well and get the win. Maybe the guys were extra motivated to support him. Hope he can stick.