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		<title>By: WestCoastbirdWatcher</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2010/01/04/one-baseball-writers-first-month-with-twitter/#comment-7958</link>
		<dc:creator>WestCoastbirdWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The dynamic of our present situation has its roots in all of the power plays that have been made in recent months.  From Dave, to the Tony hold out, to the Albert taking independent medical advice on up......................... BD&#039;s options have constantly been narrowed.  There have been so many variables whose outcome have contributed to our current &quot;state of the union&quot;,   from the Adrian Gonzales hold by SD, too the Yankee/Boston civilities.

No matter how you look at it........BD got the fastball.......and drove it.  He is standing on second now with a big smile on his face.  Its up to the big men to bring him in.  Its time to reach for the pine tar, not your bank statements.  Lets pray the pitching holds!

Lets hope Colby starts spraying the ball and negotiates his lifestyle fantasies form 320, instead of 260.  Lets hope Freese or Craig push Ludwick to 7th and start writing their own success stories.  Lets hope our young lefty wins 14 games.

Albert has his challenges, but he has a  warriors heart.  The dry powder has been tamped and he is still the cannon ball being loaded.  Lets hope that Carpenter can still light  matches all year long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dynamic of our present situation has its roots in all of the power plays that have been made in recent months.  From Dave, to the Tony hold out, to the Albert taking independent medical advice on up&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. BD&#8217;s options have constantly been narrowed.  There have been so many variables whose outcome have contributed to our current &#8220;state of the union&#8221;,   from the Adrian Gonzales hold by SD, too the Yankee/Boston civilities.</p>
<p>No matter how you look at it&#8230;&#8230;..BD got the fastball&#8230;&#8230;.and drove it.  He is standing on second now with a big smile on his face.  Its up to the big men to bring him in.  Its time to reach for the pine tar, not your bank statements.  Lets pray the pitching holds!</p>
<p>Lets hope Colby starts spraying the ball and negotiates his lifestyle fantasies form 320, instead of 260.  Lets hope Freese or Craig push Ludwick to 7th and start writing their own success stories.  Lets hope our young lefty wins 14 games.</p>
<p>Albert has his challenges, but he has a  warriors heart.  The dry powder has been tamped and he is still the cannon ball being loaded.  Lets hope that Carpenter can still light  matches all year long.</p>
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		<title>By: CariocaCardinal</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2010/01/04/one-baseball-writers-first-month-with-twitter/#comment-7956</link>
		<dc:creator>CariocaCardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice take RC.   I think it is difficult to say how Pujols will respond.  He may pout.  He may suck it up and take his game to even higher levels in a &quot;I&#039;ll show them&quot; response.   

I welcome the disappearance of the primadona (as probably does Ryan).   But for all we know Albert might as well.   The weight of feeling he has to be the leader (whether he wants to or not and whether he really knows how to do that well or not) may be lifted and this may or may not be a positive.   

Hopefully there is not a power struggle or the building of a faction struggle that could effect players far beyond Matt and Albert.   

Albert can solve the money issue tomorrow if he wants with a simple call to BD saying he wants to negotiate an extension that includes tearing up the last 2 years of the current deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice take RC.   I think it is difficult to say how Pujols will respond.  He may pout.  He may suck it up and take his game to even higher levels in a &#8220;I&#8217;ll show them&#8221; response.   </p>
<p>I welcome the disappearance of the primadona (as probably does Ryan).   But for all we know Albert might as well.   The weight of feeling he has to be the leader (whether he wants to or not and whether he really knows how to do that well or not) may be lifted and this may or may not be a positive.   </p>
<p>Hopefully there is not a power struggle or the building of a faction struggle that could effect players far beyond Matt and Albert.   </p>
<p>Albert can solve the money issue tomorrow if he wants with a simple call to BD saying he wants to negotiate an extension that includes tearing up the last 2 years of the current deal.</p>
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		<title>By: blingboy</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2010/01/04/one-baseball-writers-first-month-with-twitter/#comment-7955</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think bigger CC.

Brian, It would depend on the relative values.  You are right there is a cost in letting your position erode.  There is also a value in seeing more of the future before making a long term committment.  One might believe that the cost of giving up the trade goods altogether would be well worth it to see two more years of that future before deciding to spend $200M.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think bigger CC.</p>
<p>Brian, It would depend on the relative values.  You are right there is a cost in letting your position erode.  There is also a value in seeing more of the future before making a long term committment.  One might believe that the cost of giving up the trade goods altogether would be well worth it to see two more years of that future before deciding to spend $200M.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Walton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Walton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CC, good points. Playing at high level does not diminish trade value, the passing of time does.

RC, also good points. I have a view of clubhouse dynamics, but it is not from being there every day. McGwire seems the real new dimension, which could be substantial depending on how he attacks the job. An influence angle not yet discussed is TLR. Pujols has years of a head start over the new guy Holliday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CC, good points. Playing at high level does not diminish trade value, the passing of time does.</p>
<p>RC, also good points. I have a view of clubhouse dynamics, but it is not from being there every day. McGwire seems the real new dimension, which could be substantial depending on how he attacks the job. An influence angle not yet discussed is TLR. Pujols has years of a head start over the new guy Holliday.</p>
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		<title>By: RCWarrior1</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2010/01/04/one-baseball-writers-first-month-with-twitter/#comment-7953</link>
		<dc:creator>RCWarrior1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bling wrote, &quot;Westy, RC, lets add McGwire into the Pujols-Holliday thing. He’s a Tony guy, besides just being who he is. Up to our asses in 800 lb gorillas.&quot;

Bling, A friend of mine said last week,  when he found out via a real estate agent that Holliday was coming back to St. Louis(you see this friend of mine is in the process of purchasing a home as was Holliday in the St. Louis area and have the same guy looking for homes),  This friend stated, &quot;Albert is gonna be pissed about Holliday&quot;.  

In other words, Albert will not be the Superpower he was last year from now on.  Albert won&#039;t be able to bark out commands to Matt and subsequently Albert will not be able to do that to the other players.  I&#039;m just curious how Albert will respond to not having the ultimate say in everything that is the St. Louis Cardinals from here on out.   Matt will bring a balance that has been missing since Jim and Scott have moved on.  Score one for the mainlanders  :)

As for Big Mac being around, this can not be a bad thing for the mainlanders either.  He will be able to put those kids under his wing like Albert does with the dominican players.  Having Big Mac and MH(now around for the long haul) around is nothing but a positive for the TEAM.  

My curiosity is in regards to how Albert will respond to not being the only Great player on the team, which is a role I believe he relishes.  Now he is also second in the pecking order as far as money goes.  I&#039;m not sure his EGO will be able to cope with the change in the landscape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bling wrote, &#8220;Westy, RC, lets add McGwire into the Pujols-Holliday thing. He’s a Tony guy, besides just being who he is. Up to our asses in 800 lb gorillas.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bling, A friend of mine said last week,  when he found out via a real estate agent that Holliday was coming back to St. Louis(you see this friend of mine is in the process of purchasing a home as was Holliday in the St. Louis area and have the same guy looking for homes),  This friend stated, &#8220;Albert is gonna be pissed about Holliday&#8221;.  </p>
<p>In other words, Albert will not be the Superpower he was last year from now on.  Albert won&#8217;t be able to bark out commands to Matt and subsequently Albert will not be able to do that to the other players.  I&#8217;m just curious how Albert will respond to not having the ultimate say in everything that is the St. Louis Cardinals from here on out.   Matt will bring a balance that has been missing since Jim and Scott have moved on.  Score one for the mainlanders  <img src='http://thecardinalnationblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As for Big Mac being around, this can not be a bad thing for the mainlanders either.  He will be able to put those kids under his wing like Albert does with the dominican players.  Having Big Mac and MH(now around for the long haul) around is nothing but a positive for the TEAM.  </p>
<p>My curiosity is in regards to how Albert will respond to not being the only Great player on the team, which is a role I believe he relishes.  Now he is also second in the pecking order as far as money goes.  I&#8217;m not sure his EGO will be able to cope with the change in the landscape.</p>
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		<title>By: CariocaCardinal</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2010/01/04/one-baseball-writers-first-month-with-twitter/#comment-7952</link>
		<dc:creator>CariocaCardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The paying more to Holliday than Pujols could also be an attempt to send a signal to Albert.   A signal that says we are prepared to move on without you.   I&#039;m not saying it was a signal, just that it could be.    The idea that Boras wouldn&#039;t except less in the initial years would only make sense if Boras (not Holliday) was trying to send a signal with regards to salary over the next two years.  Since it appears there is deferred money the difference to Matt could have been made almost invisible.   What Boras&#039; angle would be I&#039;m not sure.    

I like the idea of putting the immediate push on to sign Albert now.  If successful, it takes a lot of the drama and distraction away from this year (and next).   If not, it allows the Cards to consider trade options before Albert&#039;s no trade protection kicks in.

If Pujols isn&#039;t re-signed this off season it seems that his value may very well depend more on Matt than on Pujols himself.   If Holliday performs at or near Pujols level (let&#039;s say 7-8 WAR, 150 OPS+ territory) then it seems logical that the Pujols can only demand 20%-30% more.   If Matt is a 4.0 WAR player then Pujols gets 60%-80% more.   A high performing Holliday also lessens the idea of the franchise will go totally down hill if Pujols isnt re-signed giving the team a subtle bit of leverage.

Brian, how does Pujols performing at a Ruthian level reduce his trade value?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The paying more to Holliday than Pujols could also be an attempt to send a signal to Albert.   A signal that says we are prepared to move on without you.   I&#8217;m not saying it was a signal, just that it could be.    The idea that Boras wouldn&#8217;t except less in the initial years would only make sense if Boras (not Holliday) was trying to send a signal with regards to salary over the next two years.  Since it appears there is deferred money the difference to Matt could have been made almost invisible.   What Boras&#8217; angle would be I&#8217;m not sure.    </p>
<p>I like the idea of putting the immediate push on to sign Albert now.  If successful, it takes a lot of the drama and distraction away from this year (and next).   If not, it allows the Cards to consider trade options before Albert&#8217;s no trade protection kicks in.</p>
<p>If Pujols isn&#8217;t re-signed this off season it seems that his value may very well depend more on Matt than on Pujols himself.   If Holliday performs at or near Pujols level (let&#8217;s say 7-8 WAR, 150 OPS+ territory) then it seems logical that the Pujols can only demand 20%-30% more.   If Matt is a 4.0 WAR player then Pujols gets 60%-80% more.   A high performing Holliday also lessens the idea of the franchise will go totally down hill if Pujols isnt re-signed giving the team a subtle bit of leverage.</p>
<p>Brian, how does Pujols performing at a Ruthian level reduce his trade value?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Walton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Walton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NL Central favorite, yes. NL favorite, no. The Phillies are still tops on my list with the Cards second.

Edit: According to sportsbook.com, here are the 2010 NL pennant betting odds:

Phils +200
StL +450
LAD +700
Mets +800
Cubs +800
Braves +1000...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NL Central favorite, yes. NL favorite, no. The Phillies are still tops on my list with the Cards second.</p>
<p>Edit: According to sportsbook.com, here are the 2010 NL pennant betting odds:</p>
<p>Phils +200<br />
StL +450<br />
LAD +700<br />
Mets +800<br />
Cubs +800<br />
Braves +1000&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: CariocaCardinal</title>
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		<dc:creator>CariocaCardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Combining the thoughts from above - with no dead money and a $100 million payroll they have absolutely no excuse for not winning the Central or even the NL crown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Combining the thoughts from above &#8211; with no dead money and a $100 million payroll they have absolutely no excuse for not winning the Central or even the NL crown.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Walton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Walton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bb, we just see it differently. I suggest trying to lock Pujols up now. The Cards played .600 ball with the two together, which includes the final month when they always seem to swoon. That equates to 97 wins over a full season, which is good enough for me. If they determine he can&#039;t be signed, then they have time to move him while his trade value is highest.

You seem willing to risk having to pay more for an extension or receive less in trade after Albert puts up &quot;a Ruthian season&quot;. That is also viable, but why let your position erode?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bb, we just see it differently. I suggest trying to lock Pujols up now. The Cards played .600 ball with the two together, which includes the final month when they always seem to swoon. That equates to 97 wins over a full season, which is good enough for me. If they determine he can&#8217;t be signed, then they have time to move him while his trade value is highest.</p>
<p>You seem willing to risk having to pay more for an extension or receive less in trade after Albert puts up &#8220;a Ruthian season&#8221;. That is also viable, but why let your position erode?</p>
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		<title>By: blingboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>blingboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No arguement with what&#039;s happened in the past, nor with what is likely to be in the future.  I&#039;m just saying the Cards have the chance to see a bit of that future before acting, so why not take advantage of that.  They have both been remarkably consistent producers who stay healthy and in the lineup.  I have every reason to believe Albert will have a Ruthian season.  Lets say 1.150 OPS?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No arguement with what&#8217;s happened in the past, nor with what is likely to be in the future.  I&#8217;m just saying the Cards have the chance to see a bit of that future before acting, so why not take advantage of that.  They have both been remarkably consistent producers who stay healthy and in the lineup.  I have every reason to believe Albert will have a Ruthian season.  Lets say 1.150 OPS?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Walton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Walton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pujols is the same age as Holliday and has been producing more than a $17 million player (in today&#039;s money) for nine years now. He is hardly a risk despite those trying to analyze what might be going on inside of his head might suggest. I challenge anyone to show a more consistent producer in the game than Albert. He performed well as a member of the MV3 and will continue to do so as part of the new big two. He has nothing left to prove to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pujols is the same age as Holliday and has been producing more than a $17 million player (in today&#8217;s money) for nine years now. He is hardly a risk despite those trying to analyze what might be going on inside of his head might suggest. I challenge anyone to show a more consistent producer in the game than Albert. He performed well as a member of the MV3 and will continue to do so as part of the new big two. He has nothing left to prove to me.</p>
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		<title>By: blingboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>blingboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With re-signing Albert, it is vital to remember that we want to pay for the future, not the past.  With that in mind, I like Westy&#039;s idea of letting Albert out-produce the $17M man first, and talk about his next contract second.  The next three quarters of a season or so should be enjoyable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With re-signing Albert, it is vital to remember that we want to pay for the future, not the past.  With that in mind, I like Westy&#8217;s idea of letting Albert out-produce the $17M man first, and talk about his next contract second.  The next three quarters of a season or so should be enjoyable.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Walton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Walton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CC, I have written about the Pujols respect point in the past, too. There are several possible scenarios, not mutually exclusive.

1) The Cards could have proposed the Holliday deal with backloaded money to keep Albert on top for the next two years, but couldn&#039;t get Boras to agree.

2) The Cards will now approach Albert about an extension that would include a re-negotiation of the next two years. Even if he turns it down, respect will be shown.

I personally really like the idea of striking again while the iron is hot. Barring a catastrophe, Pujols&#039; extension price will not go down over the next two years. If for some very unlikely reason, he signals he doesn&#039;t want to return, the Cards can start thinking about the unthinkable - a trade. I doubt it will get there, but I am working on another post to explore this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CC, I have written about the Pujols respect point in the past, too. There are several possible scenarios, not mutually exclusive.</p>
<p>1) The Cards could have proposed the Holliday deal with backloaded money to keep Albert on top for the next two years, but couldn&#8217;t get Boras to agree.</p>
<p>2) The Cards will now approach Albert about an extension that would include a re-negotiation of the next two years. Even if he turns it down, respect will be shown.</p>
<p>I personally really like the idea of striking again while the iron is hot. Barring a catastrophe, Pujols&#8217; extension price will not go down over the next two years. If for some very unlikely reason, he signals he doesn&#8217;t want to return, the Cards can start thinking about the unthinkable &#8211; a trade. I doubt it will get there, but I am working on another post to explore this.</p>
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		<title>By: blingboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>blingboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Cards have no dead money, owed to players not playing for them anymore.  No money going to guys that will start out on the DL.  No long term contracts to players who are clearly not worth it going into 2010. (hopefully Lohse will not fall into that catagory).  That&#039;s a huge factor.  Also, its not as though they have two high priced sluggers and nothing else.  There are two Cy young quality aces at the top of the rotation.  Two more veteran starters who have been successful in the past, are healthy and not over the hill.  An all star closer.  The top defensive catcher.  Solid defensive outfield.  Gold Glove quality defense at short.  Acceptable defense at second.  A bunch of healthy young arms with a year under their belt and DD coaching them.  Guys like Colby and Brendan should really come into their own.  Should be a team thats hard to ignore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Cards have no dead money, owed to players not playing for them anymore.  No money going to guys that will start out on the DL.  No long term contracts to players who are clearly not worth it going into 2010. (hopefully Lohse will not fall into that catagory).  That&#8217;s a huge factor.  Also, its not as though they have two high priced sluggers and nothing else.  There are two Cy young quality aces at the top of the rotation.  Two more veteran starters who have been successful in the past, are healthy and not over the hill.  An all star closer.  The top defensive catcher.  Solid defensive outfield.  Gold Glove quality defense at short.  Acceptable defense at second.  A bunch of healthy young arms with a year under their belt and DD coaching them.  Guys like Colby and Brendan should really come into their own.  Should be a team thats hard to ignore.</p>
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		<title>By: CariocaCardinal</title>
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		<dc:creator>CariocaCardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really, really  surprised that Holliday&#039;s deal isn&#039;t backloaded slightly to bring him in under what Pujols will make the next 2 seasons.   I it is a big deal to Pujols but it would have been a gesture of respect that was surely noted had it come out that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, really  surprised that Holliday&#8217;s deal isn&#8217;t backloaded slightly to bring him in under what Pujols will make the next 2 seasons.   I it is a big deal to Pujols but it would have been a gesture of respect that was surely noted had it come out that way.</p>
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		<title>By: CariocaCardinal</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2010/01/04/one-baseball-writers-first-month-with-twitter/#comment-7942</link>
		<dc:creator>CariocaCardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, I understand and you are right it was not a complete analysis.   The point remains though.   If you are the highest bidder paying full value for Holliday it seems to me you have to evaluate the trade as simply a pennant drive move with no credit given for it leading to the signing. 

Yes, Mortensen was #36 but he is now a sure thing (only question is upside) and major league ready - knowing what teams know now about him I think he goes at least #25 most years.    Wallace probably goes slightly higher than #13 and Peterson probably moves up a few spots as well.  Add in lost development time as well (I think you brought this up somewhere else recently).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, I understand and you are right it was not a complete analysis.   The point remains though.   If you are the highest bidder paying full value for Holliday it seems to me you have to evaluate the trade as simply a pennant drive move with no credit given for it leading to the signing. </p>
<p>Yes, Mortensen was #36 but he is now a sure thing (only question is upside) and major league ready &#8211; knowing what teams know now about him I think he goes at least #25 most years.    Wallace probably goes slightly higher than #13 and Peterson probably moves up a few spots as well.  Add in lost development time as well (I think you brought this up somewhere else recently).</p>
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		<title>By: blingboy</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2010/01/04/one-baseball-writers-first-month-with-twitter/#comment-7941</link>
		<dc:creator>blingboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The east coast Phillies are the Yankees of the National League, right?  I can see ESPN guys flipping through their road atlases.  &quot;Hold on, I know it&#039;s one of those &#039;M&#039; states, give me a minute.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The east coast Phillies are the Yankees of the National League, right?  I can see ESPN guys flipping through their road atlases.  &#8220;Hold on, I know it&#8217;s one of those &#8216;M&#8217; states, give me a minute.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Walton</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2010/01/04/one-baseball-writers-first-month-with-twitter/#comment-7940</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Walton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bb, I am curious what all those writers who puffed up the Phillies as the supposed model (with some not-so-subtle prompting from Boras) will be saying now. My guess is that some will move the argument to the Cards investing too much on too few. Impossible to please all the second-guessers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bb, I am curious what all those writers who puffed up the Phillies as the supposed model (with some not-so-subtle prompting from Boras) will be saying now. My guess is that some will move the argument to the Cards investing too much on too few. Impossible to please all the second-guessers.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Walton</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2010/01/04/one-baseball-writers-first-month-with-twitter/#comment-7939</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Walton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CC, I did not say I would have done the deal. My primary point was that your analysis was incomplete and I thought most fans would be ok with the trade in hindsight. 

Wallace was 13th and Mortensen 36th, so they are almost equidistant from this year&#039;s 25th pick. Neither one is an ideal comp, but having to choose one, I would break the tie with Wallace, since Mortensen was a second pick, a comp rounder.

For my personal view, I am preparing a blog post now....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CC, I did not say I would have done the deal. My primary point was that your analysis was incomplete and I thought most fans would be ok with the trade in hindsight. </p>
<p>Wallace was 13th and Mortensen 36th, so they are almost equidistant from this year&#8217;s 25th pick. Neither one is an ideal comp, but having to choose one, I would break the tie with Wallace, since Mortensen was a second pick, a comp rounder.</p>
<p>For my personal view, I am preparing a blog post now&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: blingboy</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2010/01/04/one-baseball-writers-first-month-with-twitter/#comment-7938</link>
		<dc:creator>blingboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cards fans now have the only team outside NY with two $100M players.  That will be interesting.</description>
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		<title>By: CariocaCardinal</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2010/01/04/one-baseball-writers-first-month-with-twitter/#comment-7937</link>
		<dc:creator>CariocaCardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There you go again WC - wanting to have it both ways.  We are under hundred million but we are paying full freight for Lugo since we got cash with him (which we spent last year).    One argument or the other breaks down.   Choose which one you&#039;ll bite the bullet on and say you were wrong about - I won&#039;t hold my breath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There you go again WC &#8211; wanting to have it both ways.  We are under hundred million but we are paying full freight for Lugo since we got cash with him (which we spent last year).    One argument or the other breaks down.   Choose which one you&#8217;ll bite the bullet on and say you were wrong about &#8211; I won&#8217;t hold my breath.</p>
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		<title>By: CariocaCardinal</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2010/01/04/one-baseball-writers-first-month-with-twitter/#comment-7936</link>
		<dc:creator>CariocaCardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This signing ,at that price has as much to do with the Birmingham trip and Albert’s silent tact than anything else.&quot;

Man, I wish I had such a vivid imagination!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This signing ,at that price has as much to do with the Birmingham trip and Albert’s silent tact than anything else.&#8221;</p>
<p>Man, I wish I had such a vivid imagination!</p>
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		<title>By: CariocaCardinal</title>
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		<dc:creator>CariocaCardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pick #25 (I think that&#039;s our pick this year) doesn&#039;t equal #12.   At best it would be equivelent to Mortensen (given certainty as well as  development time and all).  So now we are talking Wallace and Peterson for Hollidya for the pennant drive -- still do it Brian?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pick #25 (I think that&#8217;s our pick this year) doesn&#8217;t equal #12.   At best it would be equivelent to Mortensen (given certainty as well as  development time and all).  So now we are talking Wallace and Peterson for Hollidya for the pennant drive &#8212; still do it Brian?</p>
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		<title>By: WestCoastbirdWatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>WestCoastbirdWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 07:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is purely BD.  This signing ,at that price has as much to do with the Birmingham trip and Albert&#039;s silent tact than anything else.

Subconsciously, many of Jeshua&#039;s followers were fascinated at the chance to witness the hoped for miracle of (Jesus) flying of the cross in the face of his Rome tormentors.   The rest hit the road at his arrest.  

Translation;    there will be a massive ticket surge to watch this show within the show.  Albert can&#039;t act the role he has become accustom to.  His role  will now be defined in a very different manner...... If the team dominates, and Albert preforms admirably as does Holiday, Albert has to take less to keep the team together.  25 tops........... If he struggles, his price goes down anyway.  If he continues his spiritual grind............... that most likely creates injuries.  BD just bought a get out of jail card, and he will still stay under 100 mill.........pretty smart move again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is purely BD.  This signing ,at that price has as much to do with the Birmingham trip and Albert&#8217;s silent tact than anything else.</p>
<p>Subconsciously, many of Jeshua&#8217;s followers were fascinated at the chance to witness the hoped for miracle of (Jesus) flying of the cross in the face of his Rome tormentors.   The rest hit the road at his arrest.  </p>
<p>Translation;    there will be a massive ticket surge to watch this show within the show.  Albert can&#8217;t act the role he has become accustom to.  His role  will now be defined in a very different manner&#8230;&#8230; If the team dominates, and Albert preforms admirably as does Holiday, Albert has to take less to keep the team together.  25 tops&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. If he struggles, his price goes down anyway.  If he continues his spiritual grind&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; that most likely creates injuries.  BD just bought a get out of jail card, and he will still stay under 100 mill&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;pretty smart move again.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Walton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Walton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 06:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not quite that simple CC. They would have lost their 2010 first-rounder had they signed Holliday for the first time now. Equate that to Wallace and they essentially gave up Mortensen and Peterson for a partial season of Holliday and a better chance to win in 2009.  I suspect most would be ok with that, even in hindsight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not quite that simple CC. They would have lost their 2010 first-rounder had they signed Holliday for the first time now. Equate that to Wallace and they essentially gave up Mortensen and Peterson for a partial season of Holliday and a better chance to win in 2009.  I suspect most would be ok with that, even in hindsight.</p>
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		<title>By: CariocaCardinal</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2010/01/04/one-baseball-writers-first-month-with-twitter/#comment-7927</link>
		<dc:creator>CariocaCardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 06:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No kudos to Mo for trading prospects as it relates to this signing.   This was at (or above) market value.  We could have had him for this price w/o trading the prospects.    Now one has to justify the prospects simply as it relates to the pennant drive - a tough task I think.  That makes Mo a loser in this deal in my book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No kudos to Mo for trading prospects as it relates to this signing.   This was at (or above) market value.  We could have had him for this price w/o trading the prospects.    Now one has to justify the prospects simply as it relates to the pennant drive &#8211; a tough task I think.  That makes Mo a loser in this deal in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: blingboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>blingboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 05:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He now has to out perform a 17 million dollar player to justify more.&quot;
Word, Westy.  That&#039;s a hell of a good observation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He now has to out perform a 17 million dollar player to justify more.&#8221;<br />
Word, Westy.  That&#8217;s a hell of a good observation.</p>
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		<title>By: WestCoastbirdWatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>WestCoastbirdWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 05:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holiday isn&#039;t likely to be overly reactive to Albert now that he knows where he&#039;s going to be.  I haven&#039;t heard of an opt-out here.  

The good news is, this challenge for Albert isn&#039;t as difficult as the one the beat him up last fall.  He will look damn silly pouting at this point about folks pitching around him..  He now has to out perform a 17 million dollar player to justify more.  That&#039;s why you are looking at 120.  DeWitt drove this deal, not Mo.  He is smart.  

I&#039;ll be honest............ Albert should bat 4th.......lets run up front with Holiday hitting 3rd.  Albert can get 200 rbi&#039;s from there.  

Yeah, no more platooning in the outfield.................</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holiday isn&#8217;t likely to be overly reactive to Albert now that he knows where he&#8217;s going to be.  I haven&#8217;t heard of an opt-out here.  </p>
<p>The good news is, this challenge for Albert isn&#8217;t as difficult as the one the beat him up last fall.  He will look damn silly pouting at this point about folks pitching around him..  He now has to out perform a 17 million dollar player to justify more.  That&#8217;s why you are looking at 120.  DeWitt drove this deal, not Mo.  He is smart.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be honest&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; Albert should bat 4th&#8230;&#8230;.lets run up front with Holiday hitting 3rd.  Albert can get 200 rbi&#8217;s from there.  </p>
<p>Yeah, no more platooning in the outfield&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: blingboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>blingboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 05:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony:        Concurso de belleza de tres perros grandes!!!!!

Albert:     Repetir después de mí, Albert es el más hermoso.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony:        Concurso de belleza de tres perros grandes!!!!!</p>
<p>Albert:     Repetir después de mí, Albert es el más hermoso.</p>
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		<title>By: JumboShrimp</title>
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		<dc:creator>JumboShrimp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 04:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bling, plenty of left fielders do not make headlong dives to try to catch liners.  If a LF plays a outside his safe operating envelope, yes he can get hurt.   I trust Holliday to play under control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bling, plenty of left fielders do not make headlong dives to try to catch liners.  If a LF plays a outside his safe operating envelope, yes he can get hurt.   I trust Holliday to play under control.</p>
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