Relative value of players is very active hot stove topic on pretty much any message board you might check, especially this time of year.
Though the Elias Rankings are primarily used to determine compensation for free agents, they can also offer an interesting comparison point for all players, free agent or not. The rankings are the official system agreed-to by both ownership and the players’ union.
The secret formulas combine the most recent two years of selected statistics, including batting average, home runs and RBI for hitters and innings-pitched, ERA, saves and strikeouts for pitchers. Players are lumped into one of five positional groupings – first basemen/outfielders/designated hitters, catchers, second basemen/shortstops/third basemen, starting pitchers and relievers.
Type A players are among the top 20 percent of all players in their league in their positional grouping. A team that loses a Type A free agent after offering that player arbitration receives a draft pick from the signing club plus a compensatory pick.
Type B players are among 21 percent to 40 percent in their grouping. A club that loses a Type B free agent to another team after offering arbitration receives a sandwich pick between rounds of the next June’s draft.
The final 60 percent of the players are denoted below as “NC” for no compensation.
How to read the table: For example, Skip Schumaker scored 69.394. I don’t know why he remains with the first basemen and outfielders a year after moving to second base, but that is where he is. Among those first basemen and outfielders, Skip’s score places him 27th. Because the top 20 percent works out to 26 players, Schumaker just missed being a Type A and instead is the highest-ranked Type B. Along with Ryan Ludwick, he is eligible for the arbitration process to set his 2010 salary if he cannot come to terms with the Cardinals first.
| NL 2008-2009 | Pos group | Grp rank | Score | Type | Rank w/in type | Status |
| Albert Pujols | 1B/OF | 1 | 97.037 | A | 1 | |
| Matt Holliday | 1B/OF | 2 | 95.96 | A | 2 | FA |
| Ryan Ludwick | 1B/OF | 11 | 83.838 | A | 11 | arb |
| Skip Schumaker | 1B/OF | 27 | 69.394 | B | 1 | arb |
| Rick Ankiel | 1B/OF | 66 | 52.727 | NC | 16 | FA |
| Colby Rasmus | 1B/OF | 89t | 34.747 | NC | 49t | |
| Yadier Molina | C | 6 | 76.122 | A | 6 | |
| Jason LaRue | C | 32 | 24.082 | NC | 18 | FA* |
| Mark DeRosa | 2B/SS/3B | 19 | 70.33 | B | 2 | FA |
| Troy Glaus | 2B/SS/3B | 23t | 67.033 | B | 6t | FA |
| Brendan Ryan | 2B/SS/3B | 39 | 56 | NC | 5 | |
| Khalil Greene | 2B/SS/3B | 57t | 39.429 | NC | 23t | FA |
| Joe Thurston | 2B/SS/3B | 81 | 13.462 | NC | 47 | FA# |
| Adam Wainwright | SP | 3 | 93.492 | A | 3 | |
| Kyle Lohse | SP | 27 | 70 | B | 6 | |
| Joel Pineiro | SP | 28 | 67.302 | B | 7 | FA |
| Chris Carpenter | SP | 31 | 65.873 | B | 10 | |
| Todd Wellemeyer | SP | 47 | 56.349 | NC | 5 | FA |
| John Smoltz | SP | 83 | 25.476 | NC | 41 | FA |
| Mitchell Boggs | SP | 91t | 20.397 | NC | 49t | |
| Trever Miller | RP | 24t | 74.628 | A | 24t | |
| Ryan Franklin | RP | 27 | 73.455 | A | 27 | |
| Dennys Reyes | RP | 35 | 67.277 | B | 4 | |
| Kyle McClellan | RP | 36 | 66.419 | B | 5 | |
| Jason Motte | RP | 77 | 51.588 | NC | 15 | |
| Blake Hawksworth | RP | 85 | 46.167 | NC | 23 | |
| Brad Thompson | RP | 89 | 45.481 | NC | 27 | rlsd |
* re-signed with St. Louis
# minor league free agent
Other ranking factoids:
- Albert Pujols and Matt Holliday really are the big two.
- Ludwick stands 11th among all NL first basemen and outfielders.
- Despite an injury plagued 2009 for Kyle Lohse and the standout year for Joel Pineiro, the former is still ranked higher.
- Because Chris Carpenter missed almost one entire season of the two, Pineiro ranks ahead of him.
- At least according to the formula, Trever Miller ranks ahead of Ryan Franklin.
There is some interest in revisiting the Elias Rankings for the next collective bargaining agreement between the players union and ownership, but for at least two more years, these will remain the rules of the road.
Here is the link for the entire list
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2009-11-16-complete-elias-rankings_N.htm
Many say Shu’s offense is good enough for 2nd base but not for the OF. Despite that, he ranks as the top “B” player in a tough catagory that includes 1B and DH types and a lot more candidates where he would only rank 4th of the B rank players as a 2B.
either these rankings are screwy or Shu may rank better as an OF than most think.
I was excited to see Luddy ranked ahead of Ryan Howard until I noticed Milton Bradley is ahead of him too.
Given what Howard is making and with Luddy being up for arbitration making that excitement ought to be tempered!
Hadn’t thought of that. …….Damn. Schu would be in line for some bucks too, even though he’s a part-time second baseman not an OF/1B. Double damn…. I liked those guys….