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	<title>Comments on: Herzog follows top Cardinals managers to Cooperstown</title>
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		<title>By: WestCoastbirdWatcher</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/12/07/herzog-follows-top-cardinals-managers-to-cooperstown/#comment-7199</link>
		<dc:creator>WestCoastbirdWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BB, you posted the article on the Giants GM criticizing Boras  who had made a public analysis of his needs.  Boras already controls the contingencies for his clients.  He is now pressuring the market as a whole.  He could fail, yes................ There will be a massive dead pool.....Boras will have kept most of his clients out of it, solidifying his reputation.  Boston is spending millions for chemistry.   They look closely at the character of the people the pay.  Beltre has a huge upside in his emotional isolationism.  He might just go &quot;career number&quot; in Boston...........or ST Louis.   Lopez is a complicated player,  Gifted but troubled, from the field to his home life.  He isn&#039;t a mix for Carpenter, Wainwright and some of the kids.  Albert did some baby sitting in 08.  He is an unlikely candidate for 3rb.  2nd maybe, sending Shu to the outfield.....................Boras isn&#039;t going to let him slide again on a 1 yr deal.

The comment, &quot;Boras doesn&#039;t want us to make a bid&quot;  is a joke.  Boras knows what the Cardinals are doing.  He will play along as long as they are players for a client.  That client now is Lopez, not Holiday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BB, you posted the article on the Giants GM criticizing Boras  who had made a public analysis of his needs.  Boras already controls the contingencies for his clients.  He is now pressuring the market as a whole.  He could fail, yes&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. There will be a massive dead pool&#8230;..Boras will have kept most of his clients out of it, solidifying his reputation.  Boston is spending millions for chemistry.   They look closely at the character of the people the pay.  Beltre has a huge upside in his emotional isolationism.  He might just go &#8220;career number&#8221; in Boston&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..or ST Louis.   Lopez is a complicated player,  Gifted but troubled, from the field to his home life.  He isn&#8217;t a mix for Carpenter, Wainwright and some of the kids.  Albert did some baby sitting in 08.  He is an unlikely candidate for 3rb.  2nd maybe, sending Shu to the outfield&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;Boras isn&#8217;t going to let him slide again on a 1 yr deal.</p>
<p>The comment, &#8220;Boras doesn&#8217;t want us to make a bid&#8221;  is a joke.  Boras knows what the Cardinals are doing.  He will play along as long as they are players for a client.  That client now is Lopez, not Holiday.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Walton</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/12/07/herzog-follows-top-cardinals-managers-to-cooperstown/#comment-7198</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Walton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New blog post on that to be up in about ten minutes....</description>
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		<title>By: blingboy</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/12/07/herzog-follows-top-cardinals-managers-to-cooperstown/#comment-7197</link>
		<dc:creator>blingboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mo just said he has made a formal offer for MH.  Didn&#039;t say what it is.</description>
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		<title>By: blingboy</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/12/07/herzog-follows-top-cardinals-managers-to-cooperstown/#comment-7193</link>
		<dc:creator>blingboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Boris now controls the Yanks future, Boston’s...&quot;    Not this year Westy, that is the problem Boris faces, and the problem he is trying hard to solve.  He doesn&#039;t controll anyone that either NY or Boston has to have.  Boston doesn&#039;t see Beltre as a must have, and NY doesn&#039;t see Beltre as anyone who would alter the balance, so they don&#039;t care if Boston signs him (and any other &#039;game changing defenders&#039; they want).  The only thing that would upset the situation is if Bay leaves and Boston goes for MH.  Then NY wakes up.  Then Boris is in control.  Boston would rather overpay for Bay than let him leave, which would cause the Yanks to outbid them for MH.   So the way for Boston to prevent the balance from tilting even more toward NY, is to keep Bay and thereby prevent Boris from taking control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Boris now controls the Yanks future, Boston’s&#8230;&#8221;    Not this year Westy, that is the problem Boris faces, and the problem he is trying hard to solve.  He doesn&#8217;t controll anyone that either NY or Boston has to have.  Boston doesn&#8217;t see Beltre as a must have, and NY doesn&#8217;t see Beltre as anyone who would alter the balance, so they don&#8217;t care if Boston signs him (and any other &#8216;game changing defenders&#8217; they want).  The only thing that would upset the situation is if Bay leaves and Boston goes for MH.  Then NY wakes up.  Then Boris is in control.  Boston would rather overpay for Bay than let him leave, which would cause the Yanks to outbid them for MH.   So the way for Boston to prevent the balance from tilting even more toward NY, is to keep Bay and thereby prevent Boris from taking control.</p>
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		<title>By: WestCoastbirdWatcher</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/12/07/herzog-follows-top-cardinals-managers-to-cooperstown/#comment-7192</link>
		<dc:creator>WestCoastbirdWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who said Lopez is cheap?..................................   Boris also holds Damon who the Yankee&#039;s want to DH and platoon.  They are just negotiating prices.  Hes trying to find someone to offer something for Damon to justify a better deal.  Yanks will give up 2/20 maybe.  He will make it take weeks as cover on Holidays free grazing period.   Boris now controls the Yanks future, Boston&#039;s with Beltre and its relationship to the Jason Bay final numbers.   Many things are evident.  Creating a connective framework based on observation instead of need seems to hinder some of us. (behind the water cooler type of guys)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who said Lopez is cheap?&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.   Boris also holds Damon who the Yankee&#8217;s want to DH and platoon.  They are just negotiating prices.  Hes trying to find someone to offer something for Damon to justify a better deal.  Yanks will give up 2/20 maybe.  He will make it take weeks as cover on Holidays free grazing period.   Boris now controls the Yanks future, Boston&#8217;s with Beltre and its relationship to the Jason Bay final numbers.   Many things are evident.  Creating a connective framework based on observation instead of need seems to hinder some of us. (behind the water cooler type of guys)</p>
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		<title>By: CariocaCardinal</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/12/07/herzog-follows-top-cardinals-managers-to-cooperstown/#comment-7191</link>
		<dc:creator>CariocaCardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that Lopez is a decent (and cheaper) replacement than Derosa.  We will need a power bat though.</description>
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		<title>By: JumboShrimp</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/12/07/herzog-follows-top-cardinals-managers-to-cooperstown/#comment-7190</link>
		<dc:creator>JumboShrimp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;he is working to get Bay out of Boston, so as to get the big boys in the MH game.&quot;

Sounds plausible, but if Boston&#039;s offer to Bay is high enough, why would he want to leave?   

There are a lot of variables, competing teams, competing agents, competing players. Even if there is some collusion among the players, as teammates within a union, there are so many variables, its hard to keep track of them all.

MLBTradeRumors pulls together rumors from all over the media at one convenient site.  So this web site can probably play a little bit of a role in helping teams and players better understand some of the goals and options for teams and players alike.  Through the Web, there is better information about the market as a whole, which in the past must have been very hard for individual teams to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;he is working to get Bay out of Boston, so as to get the big boys in the MH game.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds plausible, but if Boston&#8217;s offer to Bay is high enough, why would he want to leave?   </p>
<p>There are a lot of variables, competing teams, competing agents, competing players. Even if there is some collusion among the players, as teammates within a union, there are so many variables, its hard to keep track of them all.</p>
<p>MLBTradeRumors pulls together rumors from all over the media at one convenient site.  So this web site can probably play a little bit of a role in helping teams and players better understand some of the goals and options for teams and players alike.  Through the Web, there is better information about the market as a whole, which in the past must have been very hard for individual teams to know.</p>
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		<title>By: blingboy</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/12/07/herzog-follows-top-cardinals-managers-to-cooperstown/#comment-7188</link>
		<dc:creator>blingboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There would be nothing wrong with Lopez at all RC, I like it.  Boras would pee his pants if Mo called him up wanting to spend money on somebody besides MH.  

The Yankees are happy with the balance between themselves and Boston.  Why wouldn&#039;t they.  If Boston doesn&#039;t go after Holliday, the Yankees won&#039;t.  Boston doesn&#039;t want to because they know the Yanks and Boras would just pull another Tex.  That&#039;s why Scottie is rattling cages with the second tier teams like SF.  Somehow, behind the scenes, he is working to get Bay out of Boston so as to get the big boys in the MH game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There would be nothing wrong with Lopez at all RC, I like it.  Boras would pee his pants if Mo called him up wanting to spend money on somebody besides MH.  </p>
<p>The Yankees are happy with the balance between themselves and Boston.  Why wouldn&#8217;t they.  If Boston doesn&#8217;t go after Holliday, the Yankees won&#8217;t.  Boston doesn&#8217;t want to because they know the Yanks and Boras would just pull another Tex.  That&#8217;s why Scottie is rattling cages with the second tier teams like SF.  Somehow, behind the scenes, he is working to get Bay out of Boston so as to get the big boys in the MH game.</p>
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		<title>By: JumboShrimp</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/12/07/herzog-follows-top-cardinals-managers-to-cooperstown/#comment-7186</link>
		<dc:creator>JumboShrimp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BB, re #2, good point on Boras&#039; tactics on Holliday.  Its all orchestrated.   With their cable contract, the Giants have a lot of money, so they must really not want Holliday.   

Whereas the Cards pay the piper, sometimes.  The fiscal year has peaks and valleys.  Now is a peak time.   The Cards will pay peak prices, as they did when Mo signed Pineiro after 2007.  There was no end of wailing from fans at the time.  Last September, Mo inked Lohse to a 4 year deal, since we like his professionalism; Kyle had some injury problems in 09, but he could bounce back next summer; lets hope so.   This winter, the Cards ponied up for Penny; they like him.   And the Cards will have outlined serious money for Holliday.   

Now for his part, Boras likes to try to fight the fiscal year peaks and valleys.  Sometimes this works out for him and sometimes Boras has to cave come March.  Boras figures with an uber player like Matt Holliday, the dollars will be there from somebody in March, if they are there for him now.  This is not unreasonable for Boras to think.   

For their part, the Cards may not want to wait around as long.  They will need to drop out of the Holliday competition so as to make alternative moves, instead of waiting around to see what Boras decides in March.   If they do this, then Scottie B. is running your team.   And it does not help Boras for the Cards or any other team to drop out of the Holliday competition, so he wants to keep them in the game as long as possible.  Its a balancing act.   At some point, we tell Boras we are dropping out and see if he wants to deal then.   If not, so be it, we do some other things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BB, re #2, good point on Boras&#8217; tactics on Holliday.  Its all orchestrated.   With their cable contract, the Giants have a lot of money, so they must really not want Holliday.   </p>
<p>Whereas the Cards pay the piper, sometimes.  The fiscal year has peaks and valleys.  Now is a peak time.   The Cards will pay peak prices, as they did when Mo signed Pineiro after 2007.  There was no end of wailing from fans at the time.  Last September, Mo inked Lohse to a 4 year deal, since we like his professionalism; Kyle had some injury problems in 09, but he could bounce back next summer; lets hope so.   This winter, the Cards ponied up for Penny; they like him.   And the Cards will have outlined serious money for Holliday.   </p>
<p>Now for his part, Boras likes to try to fight the fiscal year peaks and valleys.  Sometimes this works out for him and sometimes Boras has to cave come March.  Boras figures with an uber player like Matt Holliday, the dollars will be there from somebody in March, if they are there for him now.  This is not unreasonable for Boras to think.   </p>
<p>For their part, the Cards may not want to wait around as long.  They will need to drop out of the Holliday competition so as to make alternative moves, instead of waiting around to see what Boras decides in March.   If they do this, then Scottie B. is running your team.   And it does not help Boras for the Cards or any other team to drop out of the Holliday competition, so he wants to keep them in the game as long as possible.  Its a balancing act.   At some point, we tell Boras we are dropping out and see if he wants to deal then.   If not, so be it, we do some other things.</p>
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		<title>By: JumboShrimp</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/12/07/herzog-follows-top-cardinals-managers-to-cooperstown/#comment-7185</link>
		<dc:creator>JumboShrimp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re &quot;thick as thieves&quot;
The Red Sox acted huffy about the Manny and Texeira charades, but are right back in the scrum, paying Lowell $9MM to leave town, just like Julio Lugo.   
The Sox and Boras deserve one another and seemingly cannot live apart.  In this mating dance, neither side seems entirely pure.  To someone as pure and idealistic as JS, both seem thieves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re &#8220;thick as thieves&#8221;<br />
The Red Sox acted huffy about the Manny and Texeira charades, but are right back in the scrum, paying Lowell $9MM to leave town, just like Julio Lugo.<br />
The Sox and Boras deserve one another and seemingly cannot live apart.  In this mating dance, neither side seems entirely pure.  To someone as pure and idealistic as JS, both seem thieves.</p>
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		<title>By: RCWarrior1</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/12/07/herzog-follows-top-cardinals-managers-to-cooperstown/#comment-7184</link>
		<dc:creator>RCWarrior1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DeRosa may be headed to San Fran it appears.  That probably takes the cards down the Felipe Lopez road for one, maybe two years.</description>
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		<title>By: JumboShrimp</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/12/07/herzog-follows-top-cardinals-managers-to-cooperstown/#comment-7183</link>
		<dc:creator>JumboShrimp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Boras is just an agent&quot;.   
On this, we agree.   

&quot;He struggles.....the Cards are just playing charades.&quot;
On this, we do not.  Boras is having a ball, doing his thing, no struggle at all.   The Cards sit back and let him strut and fret his hour upon the stage, as a cynical Bard penned.  

&quot;I understand what teams say publicly and what they privately&quot; Boras said.
Snore.   DeWitt understands too.   Charades are played every winter, indeed all four seasons, and the Cards are not rookies.   

&quot;Will the Card match DeRosa offers?&quot;
Why would they want to do so?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Boras is just an agent&#8221;.<br />
On this, we agree.   </p>
<p>&#8220;He struggles&#8230;..the Cards are just playing charades.&#8221;<br />
On this, we do not.  Boras is having a ball, doing his thing, no struggle at all.   The Cards sit back and let him strut and fret his hour upon the stage, as a cynical Bard penned.  </p>
<p>&#8220;I understand what teams say publicly and what they privately&#8221; Boras said.<br />
Snore.   DeWitt understands too.   Charades are played every winter, indeed all four seasons, and the Cards are not rookies.   </p>
<p>&#8220;Will the Card match DeRosa offers?&#8221;<br />
Why would they want to do so?</p>
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		<title>By: WestCoastbirdWatcher</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/12/07/herzog-follows-top-cardinals-managers-to-cooperstown/#comment-7182</link>
		<dc:creator>WestCoastbirdWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I understand what teams say publicly and what they say privately,&quot; Boras said. &quot;I&#039;m not going to come to you (reporters) and let you know what they really say. There are teams that have interest and don&#039;t want to let anyone truly know.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I understand what teams say publicly and what they say privately,&#8221; Boras said. &#8220;I&#8217;m not going to come to you (reporters) and let you know what they really say. There are teams that have interest and don&#8217;t want to let anyone truly know.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: WestCoastbirdWatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>WestCoastbirdWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Described as &quot;frustrated&quot; by a number of agents, Mozeliak continues to juggle several possibilities while chairman Bill DeWitt Jr. orchestrates dealings with Boras.

Boras is just an agent.  He struggles to stay connected to ownership and his clients.  The Cards are just playing charades...........right now that suits Boras just fine..........as it suits the Cardinals in cloaking there business plan.  Last year the decisive move was Lohse.......this year it Penny.  Will the Cardinals match the DeRosa offers?  ................... In the Car business its planned obsolescence.  Parts engineered to fail at the right time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Described as &#8220;frustrated&#8221; by a number of agents, Mozeliak continues to juggle several possibilities while chairman Bill DeWitt Jr. orchestrates dealings with Boras.</p>
<p>Boras is just an agent.  He struggles to stay connected to ownership and his clients.  The Cards are just playing charades&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..right now that suits Boras just fine&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.as it suits the Cardinals in cloaking there business plan.  Last year the decisive move was Lohse&#8230;&#8230;.this year it Penny.  Will the Cardinals match the DeRosa offers?  &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. In the Car business its planned obsolescence.  Parts engineered to fail at the right time.</p>
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		<title>By: blingboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>blingboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boris tried the same thing with Sabean as he&#039;s been doing with MO and the Cards, making him out to be a greedy cheapskate in the hometown paper, and explaining why the Giants need Holliday.  Its interesting to contrast the response of the two organizations.  The Cards have been going back and forth, verbally jousting, and then left town without making an offer, while Sabean basically just told him to go to hell.

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_13965920?source=most_emailed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boris tried the same thing with Sabean as he&#8217;s been doing with MO and the Cards, making him out to be a greedy cheapskate in the hometown paper, and explaining why the Giants need Holliday.  Its interesting to contrast the response of the two organizations.  The Cards have been going back and forth, verbally jousting, and then left town without making an offer, while Sabean basically just told him to go to hell.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_13965920?source=most_emailed" rel="nofollow">http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_13965920?source=most_emailed</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brian Walton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Walton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently there is only one measurement on your scale, &quot;thick as theives&quot;. I seriously doubt any club and Boras are that close. You are certainly entitled to your opinion as I am to disagree. That doesn&#039;t mean they won&#039;t do business. Perhaps they will. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently there is only one measurement on your scale, &#8220;thick as theives&#8221;. I seriously doubt any club and Boras are that close. You are certainly entitled to your opinion as I am to disagree. That doesn&#8217;t mean they won&#8217;t do business. Perhaps they will.</p>
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		<title>By: JumboShrimp</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/12/07/herzog-follows-top-cardinals-managers-to-cooperstown/#comment-7176</link>
		<dc:creator>JumboShrimp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 03:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian Walton said he disagreed.   

Thats fine with me, Brian.  

The Red Sox are big spenders and Boras has a lot to sell at high prices.   The two sides are going to find one another, sometimes.  

Varitek was a Boras client who made a ton of moola with the Sox.  Why they stuck with him so long, it beats me.   The Sox caught Boras client J D Drew&#039;s shoulder problem in a pre-signing physical, but still signed him.  

After all the hot air and handwringing about Texeira and Manny, there are rumors the Sox want Boras client Beltre.  If Beltre were to sign with the Sox, how can this be explained?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian Walton said he disagreed.   </p>
<p>Thats fine with me, Brian.  </p>
<p>The Red Sox are big spenders and Boras has a lot to sell at high prices.   The two sides are going to find one another, sometimes.  </p>
<p>Varitek was a Boras client who made a ton of moola with the Sox.  Why they stuck with him so long, it beats me.   The Sox caught Boras client J D Drew&#8217;s shoulder problem in a pre-signing physical, but still signed him.  </p>
<p>After all the hot air and handwringing about Texeira and Manny, there are rumors the Sox want Boras client Beltre.  If Beltre were to sign with the Sox, how can this be explained?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Walton</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/12/07/herzog-follows-top-cardinals-managers-to-cooperstown/#comment-7175</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Walton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 03:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jumbo said: &quot;Boras and Epstein are thick as theives.&quot;

I disagree. Boras stuck the Red Sox when he went to the Yanks with Teixeira and earlier on the Manny behaving badly incidents that were investigated by MLB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jumbo said: &#8220;Boras and Epstein are thick as theives.&#8221;</p>
<p>I disagree. Boras stuck the Red Sox when he went to the Yanks with Teixeira and earlier on the Manny behaving badly incidents that were investigated by MLB.</p>
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		<title>By: JumboShrimp</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/12/07/herzog-follows-top-cardinals-managers-to-cooperstown/#comment-7174</link>
		<dc:creator>JumboShrimp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 03:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good grief, there is a lot of confusion.   Boras and Epstein are thick as theives.  Epstein has moved Lowell to the bankrupt Rangers, paying most of his salary as with Julio Lugo.   The Sox just want Lowell gone and will reload with Boras client Beltre.  Boras client JD Drew recently had an overdue shoulder operation.   The Sox are not going to be scared of bidding on Boras client Holliday.  Holliday will stay with St Louis if the Red Sox choose to retain Bay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good grief, there is a lot of confusion.   Boras and Epstein are thick as theives.  Epstein has moved Lowell to the bankrupt Rangers, paying most of his salary as with Julio Lugo.   The Sox just want Lowell gone and will reload with Boras client Beltre.  Boras client JD Drew recently had an overdue shoulder operation.   The Sox are not going to be scared of bidding on Boras client Holliday.  Holliday will stay with St Louis if the Red Sox choose to retain Bay.</p>
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		<title>By: WestCoastbirdWatcher</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/12/07/herzog-follows-top-cardinals-managers-to-cooperstown/#comment-7173</link>
		<dc:creator>WestCoastbirdWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point..........when  a team likes a player, but are in disagreement with his representation on the amount of compensation, they often agree to let the agent shop said player on top of an early offer.
If an agent can get a superior offer on paper, home team has the opportunity to better said offer.  This is how its done.  This is what Jason Bays agent is doing.  He likes Boston.  They like him.  The rest of the league will decide how much they pay him.  

Holiday isn&#039;t in that position.  Holiday likes the Cardinals, but they are just blowing smoke about wanting to sign him.  Thats why there isn&#039;t an offer.   Boston knows JB isn&#039;t going anywhere.  The Yanks know Holiday isn&#039;t going anywhere.  They are completely taking advantage of this knowledge in their bargaining positions.  Boras isn&#039;t loved in Boston because they put up 160 million only to watch the Yanks take MT for 180.  They aren&#039;t playing that game again.  

Lets pray that Scottie&#039;s ridiculous 3yr demand for Ankiel doesn&#039;t mean that he is holding him for the Cards in some late breaking deal 1yr, just for some back scratching at this point.  Boris disposed of Lopez in a 1yr deal to Arizona last year at this time without even blinking.  This is interesting theater.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.when  a team likes a player, but are in disagreement with his representation on the amount of compensation, they often agree to let the agent shop said player on top of an early offer.<br />
If an agent can get a superior offer on paper, home team has the opportunity to better said offer.  This is how its done.  This is what Jason Bays agent is doing.  He likes Boston.  They like him.  The rest of the league will decide how much they pay him.  </p>
<p>Holiday isn&#8217;t in that position.  Holiday likes the Cardinals, but they are just blowing smoke about wanting to sign him.  Thats why there isn&#8217;t an offer.   Boston knows JB isn&#8217;t going anywhere.  The Yanks know Holiday isn&#8217;t going anywhere.  They are completely taking advantage of this knowledge in their bargaining positions.  Boras isn&#8217;t loved in Boston because they put up 160 million only to watch the Yanks take MT for 180.  They aren&#8217;t playing that game again.  </p>
<p>Lets pray that Scottie&#8217;s ridiculous 3yr demand for Ankiel doesn&#8217;t mean that he is holding him for the Cards in some late breaking deal 1yr, just for some back scratching at this point.  Boris disposed of Lopez in a 1yr deal to Arizona last year at this time without even blinking.  This is interesting theater.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Walton</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/12/07/herzog-follows-top-cardinals-managers-to-cooperstown/#comment-7171</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Walton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Cards lost three lefty relievers from Mem - Manning, Ring and Ostlund, so there are openings there.

Regarding Jukich, in my haste to post, I went shorthand. I suspect he is initially spring insurance for Miller and Reyes. It wouldn&#039;t surprise me to see the Cards try to work a deal with Cincy to keep him and move him down at the end of March to continue as in-season insurance, hoping he will never be needed, like MacLane and the three relievers this year. It would be unusual for StL to break camp with three lefties in the pen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Cards lost three lefty relievers from Mem &#8211; Manning, Ring and Ostlund, so there are openings there.</p>
<p>Regarding Jukich, in my haste to post, I went shorthand. I suspect he is initially spring insurance for Miller and Reyes. It wouldn&#8217;t surprise me to see the Cards try to work a deal with Cincy to keep him and move him down at the end of March to continue as in-season insurance, hoping he will never be needed, like MacLane and the three relievers this year. It would be unusual for StL to break camp with three lefties in the pen.</p>
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		<title>By: CariocaCardinal</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/12/07/herzog-follows-top-cardinals-managers-to-cooperstown/#comment-7170</link>
		<dc:creator>CariocaCardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, how do you see Jukich getting to memphis?  You dont think Cincy will want him back?

Meyer most likely would have to out pitch either Norrick or Fiske to end up at Memphis - no certainty,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, how do you see Jukich getting to memphis?  You dont think Cincy will want him back?</p>
<p>Meyer most likely would have to out pitch either Norrick or Fiske to end up at Memphis &#8211; no certainty,</p>
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		<title>By: CariocaCardinal</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/12/07/herzog-follows-top-cardinals-managers-to-cooperstown/#comment-7169</link>
		<dc:creator>CariocaCardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the arms dealer comparison for Boras.  Now I have to go back and watch Lord of War again picturing Boras in the Nicholas Cage role and figuring out which country equates to which team.  Should be fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the arms dealer comparison for Boras.  Now I have to go back and watch Lord of War again picturing Boras in the Nicholas Cage role and figuring out which country equates to which team.  Should be fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Walton</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/12/07/herzog-follows-top-cardinals-managers-to-cooperstown/#comment-7168</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Walton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Meyer belongs to StL and they can put him where they want. My feeling is that both lefties will be with Memphis as the organization tries to address a shortfall. I posted a free article on the main TheCardinalNation.com site earlier this afternoon with more details, including video on the two new Cardinals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Meyer belongs to StL and they can put him where they want. My feeling is that both lefties will be with Memphis as the organization tries to address a shortfall. I posted a free article on the main TheCardinalNation.com site earlier this afternoon with more details, including video on the two new Cardinals.</p>
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		<title>By: WestCoastbirdWatcher</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/12/07/herzog-follows-top-cardinals-managers-to-cooperstown/#comment-7167</link>
		<dc:creator>WestCoastbirdWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boras is a solid baseball analyst  BB.  He is like an arms dealer.  He has some players available that will likely decide the division they go into.  Owners have the privilege of deciding if they want a division crown for a price, or whether they want to just play baseball for it.  I said last winter that after the Yankees took MT, they win that division easily because they would brutalize the weak teams thus winning enough games to enter the playoffs.

This year, teams with pitching.......Cards..Cubs..Yanks..Red Sox...ect..  could all make an investment that would increase there playoff hopes by 40%.   If the Cubs shed Bradley, and go a little crazy and grab Holiday, we&#039;re history.  They will destroy the 3 weak links in the division and take it.  Yanks and the Sox wouldn&#039;t mind seeing that as it keeps some parity in they&#039;re arms race.  If Holiday is left, he will go to the Yankees for 6/120.  Red Sox will sign Bay, he is just looking for an extra year and + 20 million from them.  It looks to me, through all the turbulence of current distractions, that what we thought 6 weeks ago is still true.  The Cards make a show signing and retreat to lick they&#039;re wounds.  If they would have made a formal offer as I said, everything would look differently.  All the Boras hype in the Cardinal press might be aimed at one person,  Matt Holiday, who I would guess would like to come back.  Boris knows that Holiday in ST Louis wouldn&#039;t bother NY or Boston.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boras is a solid baseball analyst  BB.  He is like an arms dealer.  He has some players available that will likely decide the division they go into.  Owners have the privilege of deciding if they want a division crown for a price, or whether they want to just play baseball for it.  I said last winter that after the Yankees took MT, they win that division easily because they would brutalize the weak teams thus winning enough games to enter the playoffs.</p>
<p>This year, teams with pitching&#8230;&#8230;.Cards..Cubs..Yanks..Red Sox&#8230;ect..  could all make an investment that would increase there playoff hopes by 40%.   If the Cubs shed Bradley, and go a little crazy and grab Holiday, we&#8217;re history.  They will destroy the 3 weak links in the division and take it.  Yanks and the Sox wouldn&#8217;t mind seeing that as it keeps some parity in they&#8217;re arms race.  If Holiday is left, he will go to the Yankees for 6/120.  Red Sox will sign Bay, he is just looking for an extra year and + 20 million from them.  It looks to me, through all the turbulence of current distractions, that what we thought 6 weeks ago is still true.  The Cards make a show signing and retreat to lick they&#8217;re wounds.  If they would have made a formal offer as I said, everything would look differently.  All the Boras hype in the Cardinal press might be aimed at one person,  Matt Holiday, who I would guess would like to come back.  Boris knows that Holiday in ST Louis wouldn&#8217;t bother NY or Boston.</p>
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		<title>By: blingboy</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/12/07/herzog-follows-top-cardinals-managers-to-cooperstown/#comment-7165</link>
		<dc:creator>blingboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some ESPN guy says Boras wants 3 yrs and big bucks for Ankiel.  So far as I know Wolf is the only 3 year big buck type thing that&#039;s happened so far.  Scottie might have become overly optimistic over the Pudge thing.  One could easily imagine he&#039;s still living in 2006 on Holliday as well.  Matt will have to snap him out of it.  I know several real estate guys who refused to sell buildings for less than they could have got a couple years ago, figuring to wait it out.  They are still waiting, eating the negative cash flow every month.  There is no advantage in basing your idea of value on market conditions that don&#039;t exist anymore.  If Holliday is worth more to Boras than he is to anyone else, the Cards may have to move on, but that doesn&#039;t mean they couldn&#039;t move on Holliday later and then execute a salary dump.  Hopefully, Matt will man up and stop the madness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some ESPN guy says Boras wants 3 yrs and big bucks for Ankiel.  So far as I know Wolf is the only 3 year big buck type thing that&#8217;s happened so far.  Scottie might have become overly optimistic over the Pudge thing.  One could easily imagine he&#8217;s still living in 2006 on Holliday as well.  Matt will have to snap him out of it.  I know several real estate guys who refused to sell buildings for less than they could have got a couple years ago, figuring to wait it out.  They are still waiting, eating the negative cash flow every month.  There is no advantage in basing your idea of value on market conditions that don&#8217;t exist anymore.  If Holliday is worth more to Boras than he is to anyone else, the Cards may have to move on, but that doesn&#8217;t mean they couldn&#8217;t move on Holliday later and then execute a salary dump.  Hopefully, Matt will man up and stop the madness.</p>
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		<title>By: WestCoastbirdWatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>WestCoastbirdWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure you can expect the owner&#039;s attorneys to say just that BB.  Players Union tends to look at specific players examples.  The judge or arbiter decides.......its just business.  Billy Beane goes home early for a reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure you can expect the owner&#8217;s attorneys to say just that BB.  Players Union tends to look at specific players examples.  The judge or arbiter decides&#8230;&#8230;.its just business.  Billy Beane goes home early for a reason.</p>
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		<title>By: CariocaCardinal</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/12/07/herzog-follows-top-cardinals-managers-to-cooperstown/#comment-7163</link>
		<dc:creator>CariocaCardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I know he is ours - I think we can return him for half the fee if we want but I&#039;m not positive.   Brian may know more details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I know he is ours &#8211; I think we can return him for half the fee if we want but I&#8217;m not positive.   Brian may know more details.</p>
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		<title>By: blingboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>blingboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks CC. Are there any requirements at all, or is he just ours now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks CC. Are there any requirements at all, or is he just ours now.</p>
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		<title>By: CariocaCardinal</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/12/07/herzog-follows-top-cardinals-managers-to-cooperstown/#comment-7161</link>
		<dc:creator>CariocaCardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meyers was chosen in the AAA phase.  He doesn&#039;t have to make the roster out of Spring Training.  we can let him pitch at AAA or AA or even A ball if we want.   Hopefully he has some potential and can turn into something that can help us down the road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meyers was chosen in the AAA phase.  He doesn&#8217;t have to make the roster out of Spring Training.  we can let him pitch at AAA or AA or even A ball if we want.   Hopefully he has some potential and can turn into something that can help us down the road.</p>
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