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	<title>Comments on: Would an expanded NL Cy Young Award vote bring a different result?</title>
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		<title>By: Brian Walton</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/11/20/would-an-expanded-nl-cy-young-award-vote-bring-a-different-result/#comment-6656</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Walton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New post with 7-4-3-2-1 scoring &lt;a href=&quot;http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/11/21/changing-cy-young-scoring-doesnt-change-winner/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New post with 7-4-3-2-1 scoring <a href="http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/11/21/changing-cy-young-scoring-doesnt-change-winner/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Walton</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/11/20/would-an-expanded-nl-cy-young-award-vote-bring-a-different-result/#comment-6652</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Walton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, s.f.. You are of course correct. My original intent was to mimic the MVP vote, so I am re-running now with a 7-4-3-2-1 spread and will post shortly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, s.f.. You are of course correct. My original intent was to mimic the MVP vote, so I am re-running now with a 7-4-3-2-1 spread and will post shortly.</p>
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		<title>By: s.f.</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/11/20/would-an-expanded-nl-cy-young-award-vote-bring-a-different-result/#comment-6651</link>
		<dc:creator>s.f.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian,

The reason that your five-deep tally tightened the vote isn&#039;t just that two more spots were added. Rather it&#039;s because in going from a 5-3-1 to a 5-4-3-2-1, you devalued the first place votes viz. the second and thirds, and the second-place votes viz. the thirds.

When the BBWAA votes 10-deep for MVP, the votes are NOT tallied 10-9-8-7, etc. Rather the first-place votes are weighted as 14 points. It&#039;s a 14-9-8-7, etc. calculation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,</p>
<p>The reason that your five-deep tally tightened the vote isn&#8217;t just that two more spots were added. Rather it&#8217;s because in going from a 5-3-1 to a 5-4-3-2-1, you devalued the first place votes viz. the second and thirds, and the second-place votes viz. the thirds.</p>
<p>When the BBWAA votes 10-deep for MVP, the votes are NOT tallied 10-9-8-7, etc. Rather the first-place votes are weighted as 14 points. It&#8217;s a 14-9-8-7, etc. calculation.</p>
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		<title>By: JumboShrimp</title>
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		<dc:creator>JumboShrimp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Err, check that.  I re-read your words and you are off-the-mark, again.   Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Err, check that.  I re-read your words and you are off-the-mark, again.   Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: JumboShrimp</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/11/20/would-an-expanded-nl-cy-young-award-vote-bring-a-different-result/#comment-6625</link>
		<dc:creator>JumboShrimp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WCBW, one of your sounder pschyological insights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WCBW, one of your sounder pschyological insights.</p>
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		<title>By: WestCoastbirdWatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>WestCoastbirdWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/red_sox/index.php/2009/11/20/red-sox-inquire-about-holliday-a-beltre-m-gonzalez-r-ankiel/

The mention of Ankiel in this context is a back scratching move between Boras and the Reds Sox so I would guess something is up there concerning one of the other players.

The play is, if the Red Sox are interested, he must be sane.</description>
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<p>The mention of Ankiel in this context is a back scratching move between Boras and the Reds Sox so I would guess something is up there concerning one of the other players.</p>
<p>The play is, if the Red Sox are interested, he must be sane.</p>
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		<title>By: blingboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>blingboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chicago Trib guy voted for Tim, so did ESPN and CBS.  Rather than expand the vote, it could be made by secret ballot.  Some of the comments I&#039;ve seen talk about pitching for a weaker team. (91wins v 88??, ok, whatever)  I chalk it up to strikeouts, dispatching the foe in single combat has an appeal that getting the guy to hit a grounder to your teammate can&#039;t really match.  That, and he looks like somewhat of a twerp yet mows down the hulking studly mashers. Awesome pitcher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chicago Trib guy voted for Tim, so did ESPN and CBS.  Rather than expand the vote, it could be made by secret ballot.  Some of the comments I&#8217;ve seen talk about pitching for a weaker team. (91wins v 88??, ok, whatever)  I chalk it up to strikeouts, dispatching the foe in single combat has an appeal that getting the guy to hit a grounder to your teammate can&#8217;t really match.  That, and he looks like somewhat of a twerp yet mows down the hulking studly mashers. Awesome pitcher.</p>
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		<title>By: JumboShrimp</title>
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		<dc:creator>JumboShrimp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strong article.  

Its interesting the P-D gets two voters.   They of course split their votes.   

Lincecum, Wainwright, and Carpenter all had fine years, yet only one gets selected.  

Innings pitched is a statistic that tends to get a little underappreciated.  Fans are drawn to per inning statistics, like ERA or WHIP.  To some fans, &quot;innings eater&quot; is slang for bad, but for me, its slang for good.  As Dave Duncan knows, the guy who can take on another 30 innings or so per year, he really helps the pitching staff out.  Wainwright took the ball and ate a lot of innings.  So I would have to vote for Wainwright over Carpenter, given a season-long award.   Lincecum is a good pitcher and there is nothing wrong with coming in second to him.  

Good to move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strong article.  </p>
<p>Its interesting the P-D gets two voters.   They of course split their votes.   </p>
<p>Lincecum, Wainwright, and Carpenter all had fine years, yet only one gets selected.  </p>
<p>Innings pitched is a statistic that tends to get a little underappreciated.  Fans are drawn to per inning statistics, like ERA or WHIP.  To some fans, &#8220;innings eater&#8221; is slang for bad, but for me, its slang for good.  As Dave Duncan knows, the guy who can take on another 30 innings or so per year, he really helps the pitching staff out.  Wainwright took the ball and ate a lot of innings.  So I would have to vote for Wainwright over Carpenter, given a season-long award.   Lincecum is a good pitcher and there is nothing wrong with coming in second to him.  </p>
<p>Good to move on.</p>
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		<title>By: Twitted by B_Walton</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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