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		<title>By: CariocaCardinal</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/11/10/are-the-jays-stalking-the-cardinals/comment-page-3/#comment-7304</link>
		<dc:creator>CariocaCardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now the Jays are adding Wallace!  They cant stay away from Cardinal talent!</description>
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		<title>By: WestCoastbirdWatcher</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/11/10/are-the-jays-stalking-the-cardinals/comment-page-3/#comment-6498</link>
		<dc:creator>WestCoastbirdWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll add this.............if he is cranking it up this soon.......there was absolutely nothing wrong with that tendon.  Consider the implications of that.  Likely a bad diagnosis on the nerve transposition too. He may feel he is reclaiming lost value concerning his health.  He sounds pissed to me if he isn&#039;t resting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll add this&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.if he is cranking it up this soon&#8230;&#8230;.there was absolutely nothing wrong with that tendon.  Consider the implications of that.  Likely a bad diagnosis on the nerve transposition too. He may feel he is reclaiming lost value concerning his health.  He sounds pissed to me if he isn&#8217;t resting.</p>
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		<title>By: WestCoastbirdWatcher</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/11/10/are-the-jays-stalking-the-cardinals/comment-page-3/#comment-6497</link>
		<dc:creator>WestCoastbirdWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True Brian............ Bone spurs and the flaking that causes the chips, is caused by stress on the bone.  If there is no change in his drills........... the Cardinals are asleep at the wheel or don&#039;t care.  Both are probably true.  I have to predict then that the funk will continue.  What he lost, isn&#039;t lost, but if he&#039;s looking, thats a bad sign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True Brian&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; Bone spurs and the flaking that causes the chips, is caused by stress on the bone.  If there is no change in his drills&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. the Cardinals are asleep at the wheel or don&#8217;t care.  Both are probably true.  I have to predict then that the funk will continue.  What he lost, isn&#8217;t lost, but if he&#8217;s looking, thats a bad sign.</p>
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		<title>By: CariocaCardinal</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/11/10/are-the-jays-stalking-the-cardinals/comment-page-3/#comment-6496</link>
		<dc:creator>CariocaCardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t look at a trade of a star about to be lost by FA without considering the dollars the team saves as well.   

It is not Albert for 6 prospects.  it would be Albert for 6 prospects and immediately freeing up $16 million a year for other player acquisition as well as freeing up $25 million + in the out years.  The same goes for analyzing the Griffey trade, the Seaver trade, the Cabrera trade or any of them.

There is also the question of winning.  Jumbo has implied the Cards would be non competitive w/o Albert.   Looking at the Cabrera trade you see that the Marlins actually improved in each of the first 2 years after trading Cabrera and some of the prospects they received are still developing.

Seattle improved after trading Griffey.   

I believe Cardinal fans like tradition.  They also like winning.  They also like loyalty.  If Pujols rebuffs the Cards attempt to sign him to an extension I give Cardinal fans enough credit to understand if he was traded.

I also don&#039;t believe the Card fans would be anymore forgiving if the Cards let Pujols walk than if they traded him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t look at a trade of a star about to be lost by FA without considering the dollars the team saves as well.   </p>
<p>It is not Albert for 6 prospects.  it would be Albert for 6 prospects and immediately freeing up $16 million a year for other player acquisition as well as freeing up $25 million + in the out years.  The same goes for analyzing the Griffey trade, the Seaver trade, the Cabrera trade or any of them.</p>
<p>There is also the question of winning.  Jumbo has implied the Cards would be non competitive w/o Albert.   Looking at the Cabrera trade you see that the Marlins actually improved in each of the first 2 years after trading Cabrera and some of the prospects they received are still developing.</p>
<p>Seattle improved after trading Griffey.   </p>
<p>I believe Cardinal fans like tradition.  They also like winning.  They also like loyalty.  If Pujols rebuffs the Cards attempt to sign him to an extension I give Cardinal fans enough credit to understand if he was traded.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t believe the Card fans would be anymore forgiving if the Cards let Pujols walk than if they traded him.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Walton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Walton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I am just a simple sort. If I hear that Albert is holding fast to his workouts and hitting drills, I will consider that a good sign that his elbow is improving and he will be ready to play next season. Silly me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I am just a simple sort. If I hear that Albert is holding fast to his workouts and hitting drills, I will consider that a good sign that his elbow is improving and he will be ready to play next season. Silly me.</p>
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		<title>By: WestCoastbirdWatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>WestCoastbirdWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, the psychological profile on Albert at this time isn&#039;t so good, even though all could resolve in a breathe.  He is hanging low for a reason.  No more offers to management about meetings that concern player acquisition and allowances in his negotiating posture to help subsidize that aim will be forthcoming.  BD/Mo turned that down if you recall.  It was Albert&#039;s incredible year and the national publicity campaign that cause them to chicken out and run the Holiday maneuver.

Emotionally, he is being represented by professionals that know marketing and celebrity very well.  The Tony/Albert tag team has got BD pinned down now.  Everyones happy and ready to compete, so lets let the financial planners deal with those vulgar money concerns.  Right!.................For these guys, like any celebrity, the measure of fame would appear to be,  how hard the fans pummel there chests as they weep at the thought of you leaving.  Its about what price is the  ticket on your next appearance.  Its about playing the role.  Elvis stood up in front of everyones girl friends and wives in tight leather pants, and gyrated his hips and flexed his pelvis to good effect.  The women screamed and swooned.  Lets face it, if Elvis is the milkman, your wife is likely to have some sort of white mustache at least two times a week.  All this a by product of his personal search for self esteem following a difficult childhood.  He had an insatiable appetite for posturing as the alpha male......... but needed to marry a 15yr old so he didn&#039;t have to live up to his own personal hype.

With that in mind, I&#039;m not so sure this attitude is going to be healthy and productive for Albert as a ball player.  In a sense, his confusion this year was caused by the absents of normal self esteem criteria.   He extended him self so far into the realm of the chosen or select individual, when his privacy issues were compromised with that All Star home tour prank, he was never quite the same.  His All Star game interview include such memorable statements as &quot; God will tell me where to play&quot; amongst others surprising statements.  Like it or not, the self doubt that started showing at that time in his playing skills could easily be characterized as a breech or interruption in his inner dialog with his spiritual guide.  That is a spiritual crisis common to Christian progressives and intellectuals who find that their charismatic appeals to church followers to follow another leaders teaching (Jesus), places them in an awkward and confusing state concerning their own personal aspirations and longings to seek divinity within themselves.

The tell.......if you see it announced that Albert is holding fast to his accustomed workouts and hitting drills............heads up........... that signifies that he is searching for something he thinks he might have lost.........not a good thing.  Lets hope he excepts change and finds grace in his search for a continued self confidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, the psychological profile on Albert at this time isn&#8217;t so good, even though all could resolve in a breathe.  He is hanging low for a reason.  No more offers to management about meetings that concern player acquisition and allowances in his negotiating posture to help subsidize that aim will be forthcoming.  BD/Mo turned that down if you recall.  It was Albert&#8217;s incredible year and the national publicity campaign that cause them to chicken out and run the Holiday maneuver.</p>
<p>Emotionally, he is being represented by professionals that know marketing and celebrity very well.  The Tony/Albert tag team has got BD pinned down now.  Everyones happy and ready to compete, so lets let the financial planners deal with those vulgar money concerns.  Right!&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..For these guys, like any celebrity, the measure of fame would appear to be,  how hard the fans pummel there chests as they weep at the thought of you leaving.  Its about what price is the  ticket on your next appearance.  Its about playing the role.  Elvis stood up in front of everyones girl friends and wives in tight leather pants, and gyrated his hips and flexed his pelvis to good effect.  The women screamed and swooned.  Lets face it, if Elvis is the milkman, your wife is likely to have some sort of white mustache at least two times a week.  All this a by product of his personal search for self esteem following a difficult childhood.  He had an insatiable appetite for posturing as the alpha male&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; but needed to marry a 15yr old so he didn&#8217;t have to live up to his own personal hype.</p>
<p>With that in mind, I&#8217;m not so sure this attitude is going to be healthy and productive for Albert as a ball player.  In a sense, his confusion this year was caused by the absents of normal self esteem criteria.   He extended him self so far into the realm of the chosen or select individual, when his privacy issues were compromised with that All Star home tour prank, he was never quite the same.  His All Star game interview include such memorable statements as &#8221; God will tell me where to play&#8221; amongst others surprising statements.  Like it or not, the self doubt that started showing at that time in his playing skills could easily be characterized as a breech or interruption in his inner dialog with his spiritual guide.  That is a spiritual crisis common to Christian progressives and intellectuals who find that their charismatic appeals to church followers to follow another leaders teaching (Jesus), places them in an awkward and confusing state concerning their own personal aspirations and longings to seek divinity within themselves.</p>
<p>The tell&#8230;&#8230;.if you see it announced that Albert is holding fast to his accustomed workouts and hitting drills&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;heads up&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. that signifies that he is searching for something he thinks he might have lost&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;not a good thing.  Lets hope he excepts change and finds grace in his search for a continued self confidence.</p>
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		<title>By: blingboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>blingboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, in other words, the Cards have a real baseball man calling the shots rather than the bean counters?  Excellent!  I will content myself with that as I head off to work, feeling smug.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, in other words, the Cards have a real baseball man calling the shots rather than the bean counters?  Excellent!  I will content myself with that as I head off to work, feeling smug.</p>
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		<title>By: RCWarrior1</title>
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		<dc:creator>RCWarrior1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bling, I agree with this point as well.  St. Louis is one of the few places I would guess where the fans have influencial amounts of power.  I would bet that no other city&#039;s fans have as much pull as do the St. Louis fans.  The cards will end up losing out in this deal because they know how sensitive the fans are about Albert and will be influenced to the very end by this.

Which is why the cardinals will most likely do what Albert wants in terms of the money Albert wants as well as the manager Albert wants, once TLR leaves.  Albert has more power, I bet, than any other player for any other team.  

Why?  you ask.  Because most of the fans feel the same way you do about Albert and this gives him the phenomenal cosmic power I spoke of earlier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bling, I agree with this point as well.  St. Louis is one of the few places I would guess where the fans have influencial amounts of power.  I would bet that no other city&#8217;s fans have as much pull as do the St. Louis fans.  The cards will end up losing out in this deal because they know how sensitive the fans are about Albert and will be influenced to the very end by this.</p>
<p>Which is why the cardinals will most likely do what Albert wants in terms of the money Albert wants as well as the manager Albert wants, once TLR leaves.  Albert has more power, I bet, than any other player for any other team.  </p>
<p>Why?  you ask.  Because most of the fans feel the same way you do about Albert and this gives him the phenomenal cosmic power I spoke of earlier.</p>
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		<title>By: blingboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>blingboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another factor is the unprecedented shit storm as soon as it leaked that Albert offers were being solicited.  BDW and Mo would have to order some popemobiles to drive around in.(figuratively)  St. Louis is provincial enough for local politicians to base a career on being the guy who saved us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another factor is the unprecedented shit storm as soon as it leaked that Albert offers were being solicited.  BDW and Mo would have to order some popemobiles to drive around in.(figuratively)  St. Louis is provincial enough for local politicians to base a career on being the guy who saved us.</p>
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		<title>By: WestCoastbirdWatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>WestCoastbirdWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All sound logic RC................. if those were the only influential variables.  They are not.  Albert&#039;s agents have a plan and they are proving right in their concerns about a number of issues, starting and not ending with the elbow.  Its BD&#039;s play.  He will show you his interpretation of the future soon enough.  There are 180 million dollars or so in subsidies for Cardinal Village just hanging there.  Lets watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All sound logic RC&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. if those were the only influential variables.  They are not.  Albert&#8217;s agents have a plan and they are proving right in their concerns about a number of issues, starting and not ending with the elbow.  Its BD&#8217;s play.  He will show you his interpretation of the future soon enough.  There are 180 million dollars or so in subsidies for Cardinal Village just hanging there.  Lets watch.</p>
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		<title>By: RCWarrior1</title>
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		<dc:creator>RCWarrior1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WC,   I agree that BD knows that Albert could fly the coup and make life hard for the cardinals in the process.  Thats why I would either sign him this off season to a long term deal or trade him.  Either he would decide to sign long term with me or I&#039;d throw him into the trade market and take the best offer, which I believe would be much better this year than next.  If BD holds onto Albert until next year and Albert decides he is going to enter the free agent market then BD and the cardinals will have made a huge tactical error and Albert will hold all of the cards.  BD will have to give into Alberts demands which could easily be 30 mil a year or risk looking like the cheapskate to the fans.  And if BD/Mo traded Albert next year they wouldn&#039;t get near as much in return for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WC,   I agree that BD knows that Albert could fly the coup and make life hard for the cardinals in the process.  Thats why I would either sign him this off season to a long term deal or trade him.  Either he would decide to sign long term with me or I&#8217;d throw him into the trade market and take the best offer, which I believe would be much better this year than next.  If BD holds onto Albert until next year and Albert decides he is going to enter the free agent market then BD and the cardinals will have made a huge tactical error and Albert will hold all of the cards.  BD will have to give into Alberts demands which could easily be 30 mil a year or risk looking like the cheapskate to the fans.  And if BD/Mo traded Albert next year they wouldn&#8217;t get near as much in return for him.</p>
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		<title>By: WestCoastbirdWatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>WestCoastbirdWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to dive into this later......... RC, the Cubs are perennially stupid.  They have made more bad concept moves than seems possible...........all costing big money.  There are no guarantees that the Cardinals, beyond being thrifty would fair well either in a prospects trade.   I like Kevin Yuklis and a Lefty pitcher  from Boston.  Sign Holiday and that makes for a good chemistry line up.

I have made some comments about BD&#039;s smart moves lately.  His decision to change course with Pujols was born of fear and concern about the gold mine he is sitting upon caving in.  The cash flow dynamics of this business are very important to him in the world at large at this point in time.  He knows Albert will differ heavily on a long term contract.  He will pursue it.  And Cardinal village leverage that comes with the territory.  This goes beyond the scope of this group, but the up coming trials in NY have a big influence on our current situation.  I will watch that for everyone and report as necessary.

Albert is just where he wants to be.  Playing hardball.  The Cardinal offers and negotiations will be the foundation for the bidding when its time........its best to be healthy and loved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to dive into this later&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; RC, the Cubs are perennially stupid.  They have made more bad concept moves than seems possible&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..all costing big money.  There are no guarantees that the Cardinals, beyond being thrifty would fair well either in a prospects trade.   I like Kevin Yuklis and a Lefty pitcher  from Boston.  Sign Holiday and that makes for a good chemistry line up.</p>
<p>I have made some comments about BD&#8217;s smart moves lately.  His decision to change course with Pujols was born of fear and concern about the gold mine he is sitting upon caving in.  The cash flow dynamics of this business are very important to him in the world at large at this point in time.  He knows Albert will differ heavily on a long term contract.  He will pursue it.  And Cardinal village leverage that comes with the territory.  This goes beyond the scope of this group, but the up coming trials in NY have a big influence on our current situation.  I will watch that for everyone and report as necessary.</p>
<p>Albert is just where he wants to be.  Playing hardball.  The Cardinal offers and negotiations will be the foundation for the bidding when its time&#8230;&#8230;..its best to be healthy and loved.</p>
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		<title>By: RCWarrior1</title>
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		<dc:creator>RCWarrior1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea Brian, the Braves would sure like to have the Tex trade back.  How nice it would be to have Andrus firmly in place for the next 6 years at short and Escobar at second, and then to have 100 mph coming at you from the bump in feliz, with Salty as a backup catcher.  

If the Cards could land players of that magnitude it would be a nice tactical move IMO.  If Albert does decide to leave and the Cards get two late picks the Cards will appear to have lost out in a huge way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea Brian, the Braves would sure like to have the Tex trade back.  How nice it would be to have Andrus firmly in place for the next 6 years at short and Escobar at second, and then to have 100 mph coming at you from the bump in feliz, with Salty as a backup catcher.  </p>
<p>If the Cards could land players of that magnitude it would be a nice tactical move IMO.  If Albert does decide to leave and the Cards get two late picks the Cards will appear to have lost out in a huge way.</p>
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		<title>By: blingboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>blingboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, RCW has an annoying tendency to make a good case for what I don&#039;t want to hear.  But (imaginary world) if Rangers had ended up with a Holliday and a better group of prospects, then maybe they have something going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, RCW has an annoying tendency to make a good case for what I don&#8217;t want to hear.  But (imaginary world) if Rangers had ended up with a Holliday and a better group of prospects, then maybe they have something going.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Walton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Walton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t normally read MLBTR, but I know the Teixeira story. That example reinforces RCs timing point because Tex fetched five players with 1.5 years remaining and just two at .5 years before free agency. 

Of the players Atlanta gave up for Tex, Andrus and Feliz look like keepers. Saltalamacchia less so. The other two, I don&#039;t know. A year later, all Atlanta got for Tex was Kotchman and a low-level prospect (40th round pick in 2004). The Angels picked up the two comp picks when Tex signed with the Yankees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t normally read MLBTR, but I know the Teixeira story. That example reinforces RCs timing point because Tex fetched five players with 1.5 years remaining and just two at .5 years before free agency. </p>
<p>Of the players Atlanta gave up for Tex, Andrus and Feliz look like keepers. Saltalamacchia less so. The other two, I don&#8217;t know. A year later, all Atlanta got for Tex was Kotchman and a low-level prospect (40th round pick in 2004). The Angels picked up the two comp picks when Tex signed with the Yankees.</p>
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		<title>By: blingboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>blingboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Tiexiera trade by the Rangers is about what I&#039;d expect an Albert trade to be like.  It&#039;s featured on the MLBRumors site this morning.  They got all the Braves prospects, but so what.  I&#039;ve previously said that the Cards franchise with Albert is more valuable by far than without him.  Prospects don&#039;t get the team face time on the coasts like the best player of the era.  BDW could make a nice profit by signing Albert for whatever it takes, then hanging out the FSBO sign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Tiexiera trade by the Rangers is about what I&#8217;d expect an Albert trade to be like.  It&#8217;s featured on the MLBRumors site this morning.  They got all the Braves prospects, but so what.  I&#8217;ve previously said that the Cards franchise with Albert is more valuable by far than without him.  Prospects don&#8217;t get the team face time on the coasts like the best player of the era.  BDW could make a nice profit by signing Albert for whatever it takes, then hanging out the FSBO sign.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Walton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Walton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RC, trading Albert is a very high-risk gamble. As I said before, there are plenty of Herschel Walker, Bartolo Colon-type deals that didn&#039;t help. 

How about Junior Griffey for Brett Tomko, Mike Cameron, Antonio Perez and Jake Meyer?
Here&#039;s one of my all-time favorites: Tom Seaver for Pat Zachry, Steve Henderson, Doug Flynn and Dan Norman.

More recently, two years ago, the Marlins got six prospects from Detroit for Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis. One, Cameron Maybin, seems to have a chance. Andrew Miller is in Arizona trying to revamp his motion and the others are MIA.

It would all get down to what Pujols would fetch and what would become of them. Once the Cards would start down that path, I don&#039;t know how they could back up and repair the damage. Look at Halliday&#039;s results after Ricciardi left him hanging. We would have to ask Dr. WestCoast about the damage to Albert&#039;s psyche if he had to remain with St. Louis for a year or two after having been unsuccessfully offered up as trade bait.

I am curious about your comment regarding the non-trade environment of Cardinals with Albert plus some over the hill veterans. That seems to sell short the players that have come up through the system. In this world of wild card parity, isn&#039;t being competitive good enough with the hope one can get hot in October? Being the favorites surely did not work for the Cards in 2004, 2005 or 2009.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RC, trading Albert is a very high-risk gamble. As I said before, there are plenty of Herschel Walker, Bartolo Colon-type deals that didn&#8217;t help. </p>
<p>How about Junior Griffey for Brett Tomko, Mike Cameron, Antonio Perez and Jake Meyer?<br />
Here&#8217;s one of my all-time favorites: Tom Seaver for Pat Zachry, Steve Henderson, Doug Flynn and Dan Norman.</p>
<p>More recently, two years ago, the Marlins got six prospects from Detroit for Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis. One, Cameron Maybin, seems to have a chance. Andrew Miller is in Arizona trying to revamp his motion and the others are MIA.</p>
<p>It would all get down to what Pujols would fetch and what would become of them. Once the Cards would start down that path, I don&#8217;t know how they could back up and repair the damage. Look at Halliday&#8217;s results after Ricciardi left him hanging. We would have to ask Dr. WestCoast about the damage to Albert&#8217;s psyche if he had to remain with St. Louis for a year or two after having been unsuccessfully offered up as trade bait.</p>
<p>I am curious about your comment regarding the non-trade environment of Cardinals with Albert plus some over the hill veterans. That seems to sell short the players that have come up through the system. In this world of wild card parity, isn&#8217;t being competitive good enough with the hope one can get hot in October? Being the favorites surely did not work for the Cards in 2004, 2005 or 2009.</p>
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		<title>By: RCWarrior1</title>
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		<dc:creator>RCWarrior1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Albert plus a load of over the hill veterans, who would be the only players you could get cheap, is not gonna be enough to keep the cardinals in the running for the Central Division title year in and year out.  It is my contention that if the cardinals aren&#039;t going to be able to get a big name guy or two to put along side Albert that they should trade him this year in order to get the maximum in trade bounty for him.  Now do I think this will happen?  No, but I&#039;m guessing it should.  

Someone made a reference to the Herschel Walker trade propelling the Cowboys to a couple of championships and I believe this is the best way to stay competitive as I believe the Cubbies will start to appear more like the Yankess, in terms of payroll, in the not too distant future.  And this will put the Cardinals in a pickle in terms of making the playoffs.  

Now the drawback could be that many fans would not buy tickets right away if Albert was traded and we all know money runs these things so the Cards may have to just let Albert do what he wants so as to make it appear that they wanted Albert but that Albert didn&#039;t want to be here.(I believe Beau already made a reference to this).  Keeping Albert on the Cards will most likely keep people in the seats even if the cards finish second to the cubbies for years to come.  But I still believe that Albert likes the way things are with TLR at the helm, and I still believe Albert may not want to be in St. Louis not knowing who will follow TLR as manager of the Cardinals.

My best guess is that the cards can&#039;t find a way to sign any of the top line free agents and that they may look to trade a few more prospects in order to get Albert a little help for this year.  Then try to get a feel for what Albert wants after this year, and decide how to approach their future depending on what direction Albert decides to go.   But if the cards wait this long I don&#039;t think they will be able to get the total rebuild package that they could get if they traded Albert this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Albert plus a load of over the hill veterans, who would be the only players you could get cheap, is not gonna be enough to keep the cardinals in the running for the Central Division title year in and year out.  It is my contention that if the cardinals aren&#8217;t going to be able to get a big name guy or two to put along side Albert that they should trade him this year in order to get the maximum in trade bounty for him.  Now do I think this will happen?  No, but I&#8217;m guessing it should.  </p>
<p>Someone made a reference to the Herschel Walker trade propelling the Cowboys to a couple of championships and I believe this is the best way to stay competitive as I believe the Cubbies will start to appear more like the Yankess, in terms of payroll, in the not too distant future.  And this will put the Cardinals in a pickle in terms of making the playoffs.  </p>
<p>Now the drawback could be that many fans would not buy tickets right away if Albert was traded and we all know money runs these things so the Cards may have to just let Albert do what he wants so as to make it appear that they wanted Albert but that Albert didn&#8217;t want to be here.(I believe Beau already made a reference to this).  Keeping Albert on the Cards will most likely keep people in the seats even if the cards finish second to the cubbies for years to come.  But I still believe that Albert likes the way things are with TLR at the helm, and I still believe Albert may not want to be in St. Louis not knowing who will follow TLR as manager of the Cardinals.</p>
<p>My best guess is that the cards can&#8217;t find a way to sign any of the top line free agents and that they may look to trade a few more prospects in order to get Albert a little help for this year.  Then try to get a feel for what Albert wants after this year, and decide how to approach their future depending on what direction Albert decides to go.   But if the cards wait this long I don&#8217;t think they will be able to get the total rebuild package that they could get if they traded Albert this year.</p>
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		<title>By: JumboShrimp</title>
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		<dc:creator>JumboShrimp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Johan Santana deal would be a reasonable comp.   He waived his no trade clause, got a new 6 year deal for big bucks, replacing his final year of contract with the Twins.   

If Albert and the Cards cannot reach an agreement by next November, the Santana model could apply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Johan Santana deal would be a reasonable comp.   He waived his no trade clause, got a new 6 year deal for big bucks, replacing his final year of contract with the Twins.   </p>
<p>If Albert and the Cards cannot reach an agreement by next November, the Santana model could apply.</p>
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		<title>By: CariocaCardinal</title>
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		<dc:creator>CariocaCardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Westie, woke up on a different side of the bed today?   What&#039;s with the optimism?   Still think it will be hard for the Cards to get 2-3 key players for around $5 million AAV total (what would be needed to keep the salary total in the low 80 millions as you predicted -- or are you backing off that already?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Westie, woke up on a different side of the bed today?   What&#8217;s with the optimism?   Still think it will be hard for the Cards to get 2-3 key players for around $5 million AAV total (what would be needed to keep the salary total in the low 80 millions as you predicted &#8212; or are you backing off that already?</p>
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		<title>By: CariocaCardinal</title>
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		<dc:creator>CariocaCardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s just fudgin&#039; the numbers Jumbo.  Any extra he gets in 2011 will be less he gets in the out years.    You are also assuming that there will be a window.    Just the fact that a team would require a negotiating window after 2010 shows how much his trade value diminishes by waiting an extra year (never heard anyone require a window for a player under control for 2 year).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s just fudgin&#8217; the numbers Jumbo.  Any extra he gets in 2011 will be less he gets in the out years.    You are also assuming that there will be a window.    Just the fact that a team would require a negotiating window after 2010 shows how much his trade value diminishes by waiting an extra year (never heard anyone require a window for a player under control for 2 year).</p>
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		<title>By: JumboShrimp</title>
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		<dc:creator>JumboShrimp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carioca, hypothetically, say the Cards arrange a deal with another team, as you seem to favor, then the prospective acquring team can have a negotiating window to sign Pujols to a big enough deal for him to agree to a trade.   He will be due $16MM in 2011.   However, he could sign a new deal with an acquiring team to pay him $30MM in 2011. 
Now, yes, he could refuse and stick with his sub-market $16MM, but I would not count on it.   Why would he want a higher salary in 2012 but not in 2011?   
So like Brian, I dont see the 10/5 issue as a show stopper, its just another administrative factor within the overall mix.   
Hopefully the Cards and Albert will figure out a long term deal before next November.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carioca, hypothetically, say the Cards arrange a deal with another team, as you seem to favor, then the prospective acquring team can have a negotiating window to sign Pujols to a big enough deal for him to agree to a trade.   He will be due $16MM in 2011.   However, he could sign a new deal with an acquiring team to pay him $30MM in 2011.<br />
Now, yes, he could refuse and stick with his sub-market $16MM, but I would not count on it.   Why would he want a higher salary in 2012 but not in 2011?<br />
So like Brian, I dont see the 10/5 issue as a show stopper, its just another administrative factor within the overall mix.<br />
Hopefully the Cards and Albert will figure out a long term deal before next November.</p>
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		<title>By: blingboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>blingboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today on SI.com &quot;Holliday agent takes jab at McGwire&quot;.  I thought, &#039;he&#039;s at it again&#039;.  Checking out the referenced Chicago Tribue article, also dated today, to get the particulars, I find that the Tribune is just re-reporting what Boras had said at the GM meeting, and which both the Tribune and SI had already reported.  

Boras will find a way to pay the friendlies somehow, the Trib will get the scoop on a deal or something, just wait.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/128310-boras-takes-jab-at-mcgwire?eref=fromSI
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-15-share-rogers-on-baseball-nov15,0,7333355.story</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today on SI.com &#8220;Holliday agent takes jab at McGwire&#8221;.  I thought, &#8216;he&#8217;s at it again&#8217;.  Checking out the referenced Chicago Tribue article, also dated today, to get the particulars, I find that the Tribune is just re-reporting what Boras had said at the GM meeting, and which both the Tribune and SI had already reported.  </p>
<p>Boras will find a way to pay the friendlies somehow, the Trib will get the scoop on a deal or something, just wait.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/128310-boras-takes-jab-at-mcgwire?eref=fromSI" rel="nofollow">http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/128310-boras-takes-jab-at-mcgwire?eref=fromSI</a><br />
<a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-15-share-rogers-on-baseball-nov15,0,7333355.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-15-share-rogers-on-baseball-nov15,0,7333355.story</a></p>
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		<title>By: WestCoastbirdWatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>WestCoastbirdWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think everyone would agree.  The table has been set.  With 2 or 3 credible acquisitions, Cardinals will contend in 2010.  It doesn&#039;t have to be Holiday.  All things said, he might not be the right guy for an Albert team.  Cardinal starters will be tough in 2010 with any luck.  The players are there at bargain prices.  If BD wants Albert, all he has to do is play ball.  If he pulls a 2008,  Albert won&#039;t play here in 2011.  The message will be clear to all parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think everyone would agree.  The table has been set.  With 2 or 3 credible acquisitions, Cardinals will contend in 2010.  It doesn&#8217;t have to be Holiday.  All things said, he might not be the right guy for an Albert team.  Cardinal starters will be tough in 2010 with any luck.  The players are there at bargain prices.  If BD wants Albert, all he has to do is play ball.  If he pulls a 2008,  Albert won&#8217;t play here in 2011.  The message will be clear to all parties.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Walton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Walton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see Pujols&#039; upcoming ten-and-five rights as an irritation, not a show-stopper. If the Cards decide to shop Albert in a year, they are going to piss him off enough that I suspect he would agree to a trade just to get out of town. It might also require some money. The alternative is one year of an angrier-than-usual Albert in 2011 before he walks. Today, he already has a limited no-trade clause. I don&#039;t know how many teams are excluded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see Pujols&#8217; upcoming ten-and-five rights as an irritation, not a show-stopper. If the Cards decide to shop Albert in a year, they are going to piss him off enough that I suspect he would agree to a trade just to get out of town. It might also require some money. The alternative is one year of an angrier-than-usual Albert in 2011 before he walks. Today, he already has a limited no-trade clause. I don&#8217;t know how many teams are excluded.</p>
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		<title>By: CariocaCardinal</title>
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		<dc:creator>CariocaCardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure what you are trying to say Jumbo.   In 2011 he&#039;s going to earn $16 million no matter what team he  is with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure what you are trying to say Jumbo.   In 2011 he&#8217;s going to earn $16 million no matter what team he  is with.</p>
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		<title>By: JumboShrimp</title>
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		<dc:creator>JumboShrimp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not consider the 5/10 issue much of a factor, one way or another.   For 2011,  Albert can have a choice of $16MM in St Louis or $30MM from another town.   This kind of earnings difference can induce him to accept a trade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not consider the 5/10 issue much of a factor, one way or another.   For 2011,  Albert can have a choice of $16MM in St Louis or $30MM from another town.   This kind of earnings difference can induce him to accept a trade.</p>
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		<title>By: blingboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>blingboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once it&#039;s established that the parties are talking about enough money to provide a family with financial security for a few generations, other considerations can come into play.  These considerations can be both quality of life and quantity of life related, since an additionally luxureous lifestyle is a valid factor to be weighed with the others according to the individual&#039;s tastes and priorities.  

Everyone assumes Albert will be good as new, including Albert.  If he believes in his own immortality, or idestructability, he will be very hard to deal with until his bargaining power goes up when he&#039;s a 5/10.  He has, right now, the ability to secure great riches for his family for generations to come, and fund his foundation.  If he passes on it, who knows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once it&#8217;s established that the parties are talking about enough money to provide a family with financial security for a few generations, other considerations can come into play.  These considerations can be both quality of life and quantity of life related, since an additionally luxureous lifestyle is a valid factor to be weighed with the others according to the individual&#8217;s tastes and priorities.  </p>
<p>Everyone assumes Albert will be good as new, including Albert.  If he believes in his own immortality, or idestructability, he will be very hard to deal with until his bargaining power goes up when he&#8217;s a 5/10.  He has, right now, the ability to secure great riches for his family for generations to come, and fund his foundation.  If he passes on it, who knows.</p>
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		<title>By: WestCoastbirdWatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>WestCoastbirdWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not that familiar with Albert&#039;s career.  I&#039;m just assuming that his numbers in the first half of 2009 represent his best start ever, or in the vicinity anyway.

Playing with great starting pitching and one of the worst offensive teams I&#039;ve every seen, Albert was a rare and precious stone set in a pile you know what.  Tactically, the league had to openly pitch around him for the obvious competitive advantage.  That massive ego recognition highlighted by his Ruthian trot to first after intensional passes both at home and in all stadiums in the division is difficult to quantify.  Thirty plus Hr&#039;s , 5 grand slams, talk of triple crowns, a commercial advertising you as one of the immortals that should be witnessed before he vanishes into the cornfield.  The rhythm and pitch selection dictated by this scenario had to be more predictable,  game situations always pressuring pitch location that fell on opposing teams to his advantage.  All Star game approaching,  almost a celebration of his dominance and fan adulation.  A first half performance so strong that it forced BD to change his transition plan, that perhaps being the ultimate representation of his influence.   We all know the story of his collapse one way or another.  Consider this.

If you&#039;re  Albert, or his representation, and you saw fit to resolve all possible conflicts of interest concerning Albert&#039;s health and future viability on your own initiative, and had it turn out as it did, which Albert do you want to negotiate future contracts with or for?  First half Albert?  Or second half Albert/ Holiday dominating the division but suffering the hazards  that confront all mortals.?  
Would you be out campaigning for better player support, or staying quietly at home knowing that first half Albert is your worst case and most likely playing scenario in 2010,  all leading toward optimum leverage in your option year?  Even if money isn&#039;t his sole purpose for living, it is still the excepted recognition of player status in this day and age.  Ask BD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not that familiar with Albert&#8217;s career.  I&#8217;m just assuming that his numbers in the first half of 2009 represent his best start ever, or in the vicinity anyway.</p>
<p>Playing with great starting pitching and one of the worst offensive teams I&#8217;ve every seen, Albert was a rare and precious stone set in a pile you know what.  Tactically, the league had to openly pitch around him for the obvious competitive advantage.  That massive ego recognition highlighted by his Ruthian trot to first after intensional passes both at home and in all stadiums in the division is difficult to quantify.  Thirty plus Hr&#8217;s , 5 grand slams, talk of triple crowns, a commercial advertising you as one of the immortals that should be witnessed before he vanishes into the cornfield.  The rhythm and pitch selection dictated by this scenario had to be more predictable,  game situations always pressuring pitch location that fell on opposing teams to his advantage.  All Star game approaching,  almost a celebration of his dominance and fan adulation.  A first half performance so strong that it forced BD to change his transition plan, that perhaps being the ultimate representation of his influence.   We all know the story of his collapse one way or another.  Consider this.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re  Albert, or his representation, and you saw fit to resolve all possible conflicts of interest concerning Albert&#8217;s health and future viability on your own initiative, and had it turn out as it did, which Albert do you want to negotiate future contracts with or for?  First half Albert?  Or second half Albert/ Holiday dominating the division but suffering the hazards  that confront all mortals.?<br />
Would you be out campaigning for better player support, or staying quietly at home knowing that first half Albert is your worst case and most likely playing scenario in 2010,  all leading toward optimum leverage in your option year?  Even if money isn&#8217;t his sole purpose for living, it is still the excepted recognition of player status in this day and age.  Ask BD.</p>
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		<title>By: blingboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>blingboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One would think the Holliday offer will come any minute now, Monday morning latest.  It would be nice to know if the 4/60 Bay offer is worded to expire Thursday midnight or not.  If so, Bay might get weak knees with this Market and take it.  The Mets seem more interested in Lackey and Figgins.  This is exactly the right time to be looking at locking up a Holliday level guy.  Westy&#039;s pronouncement will go down in flames and the herd of namby pambies hiding in the bush can dust themselves off and regain their manhood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One would think the Holliday offer will come any minute now, Monday morning latest.  It would be nice to know if the 4/60 Bay offer is worded to expire Thursday midnight or not.  If so, Bay might get weak knees with this Market and take it.  The Mets seem more interested in Lackey and Figgins.  This is exactly the right time to be looking at locking up a Holliday level guy.  Westy&#8217;s pronouncement will go down in flames and the herd of namby pambies hiding in the bush can dust themselves off and regain their manhood.</p>
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