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		<title>By: JumboShrimp</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/08/30/will-duncan-end-up-like-rolen/#comment-4740</link>
		<dc:creator>JumboShrimp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 03:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect Albert excels in an atmosphere of co-dependency.   Hal is dependant on Albert, Albert is dependant on Hal, while everyone else depends on everyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect Albert excels in an atmosphere of co-dependency.   Hal is dependant on Albert, Albert is dependant on Hal, while everyone else depends on everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: WestCoastbirdWatcher</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/08/30/will-duncan-end-up-like-rolen/#comment-4739</link>
		<dc:creator>WestCoastbirdWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 02:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was a better at bat Jumbo.  He obviously told Hal to shove it.  Watch the replays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a better at bat Jumbo.  He obviously told Hal to shove it.  Watch the replays.</p>
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		<title>By: JumboShrimp</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/08/30/will-duncan-end-up-like-rolen/#comment-4737</link>
		<dc:creator>JumboShrimp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 02:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another homer by Pujols tonight.   It beats me how Albert can ever hit a ball, what with Hal messing up his swing and all the severe emotional problems that beset our team.   We do not need a hitting coach, we need a resident shrink for all the nuttiness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another homer by Pujols tonight.   It beats me how Albert can ever hit a ball, what with Hal messing up his swing and all the severe emotional problems that beset our team.   We do not need a hitting coach, we need a resident shrink for all the nuttiness.</p>
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		<title>By: WestCoastbirdWatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>WestCoastbirdWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yikes BB.  Run for it.</description>
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		<title>By: blingboy</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Westy, if I may butt in a moment.  Thanks for the hilarious visual.  As I read about the mountain stream I&#039;m watching  an obnoxious asphalt paving crew working 20 feet from my front door and enjoyed the pleasant distraction, thanks for sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Westy, if I may butt in a moment.  Thanks for the hilarious visual.  As I read about the mountain stream I&#8217;m watching  an obnoxious asphalt paving crew working 20 feet from my front door and enjoyed the pleasant distraction, thanks for sharing.</p>
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		<title>By: WestCoastbirdWatcher</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/08/30/will-duncan-end-up-like-rolen/#comment-4734</link>
		<dc:creator>WestCoastbirdWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope everything is good in your neck of the wood Jumbo.  I just had a nice swim in a crystal clear mountain river with old growth pine and ceder running up the steep canyon.  What a pleasure it is to be here.

Jumbo the more I read and sample everyones perception of the Dave story, the more I keep breaking in to a wry smile.  Remember the 3 Stooges, Laurel and Hardy, or the Marx brothers movies.  There would be a hallway with about 6 different doors per side.  They would have endless chase scenes going in and out of these rooms, discovering and rediscovering their adversaries and their companions and finally them selfs as they finally broke away from the maze to discover the solution to there predicament.  If you distance yourself a little from what you hope is true, you will probably notice an ending to this passion play.  One thing you&#039;re bound to notice, if you squint a little, is the image of Tony and Dave piloting the three masted Cardinal Flagship off into the playoffs, a small dingy in tow with Mo and the wanna be&#039;s scrambling for elbow room.  The tether that binds them is now a line of dialog that finally reveals that Tony and Dave have a different opinion of where they are and from wince they came.  Try to notice who is wearing the epaulets and the fancy hats.  The more the passengers in the Dingy try to steer and maneuver, the longer the tether will become.  Someone was pretty clever getting all of the front office guys to climb into that  leaky little boat.  Just enjoy the show.

I&#039;m coming into St. Lou to have a peak a Carp and Smoltz.  I will let you know if I find any treasure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope everything is good in your neck of the wood Jumbo.  I just had a nice swim in a crystal clear mountain river with old growth pine and ceder running up the steep canyon.  What a pleasure it is to be here.</p>
<p>Jumbo the more I read and sample everyones perception of the Dave story, the more I keep breaking in to a wry smile.  Remember the 3 Stooges, Laurel and Hardy, or the Marx brothers movies.  There would be a hallway with about 6 different doors per side.  They would have endless chase scenes going in and out of these rooms, discovering and rediscovering their adversaries and their companions and finally them selfs as they finally broke away from the maze to discover the solution to there predicament.  If you distance yourself a little from what you hope is true, you will probably notice an ending to this passion play.  One thing you&#8217;re bound to notice, if you squint a little, is the image of Tony and Dave piloting the three masted Cardinal Flagship off into the playoffs, a small dingy in tow with Mo and the wanna be&#8217;s scrambling for elbow room.  The tether that binds them is now a line of dialog that finally reveals that Tony and Dave have a different opinion of where they are and from wince they came.  Try to notice who is wearing the epaulets and the fancy hats.  The more the passengers in the Dingy try to steer and maneuver, the longer the tether will become.  Someone was pretty clever getting all of the front office guys to climb into that  leaky little boat.  Just enjoy the show.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m coming into St. Lou to have a peak a Carp and Smoltz.  I will let you know if I find any treasure.</p>
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		<title>By: JumboShrimp</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/08/30/will-duncan-end-up-like-rolen/#comment-4731</link>
		<dc:creator>JumboShrimp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 13:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Duncan is not forced to work with TLR or the Cardinals.  He has options in life.   Hypothetically, if the problem with the mishandingly of Chris had happenned in 1998, then Dave could have left St Louis long ago.  
Dave is a fine pitching coach and his staff has had a great year.   The present unhappy situation has nothing to do with the job Dave does.   DeWitt would probably be happy to give him a significant raise, because he deserves one.  
Yet the bitterness has nothing to do with money.   More money cannot undo or allow Dave to forget what has happenned with his son.  Because Dave has integrity, I would suspect that he will depart, after the season.   Best not to make a public statement, which accomplishes nothing.   Just walk into the sunset.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Duncan is not forced to work with TLR or the Cardinals.  He has options in life.   Hypothetically, if the problem with the mishandingly of Chris had happenned in 1998, then Dave could have left St Louis long ago.<br />
Dave is a fine pitching coach and his staff has had a great year.   The present unhappy situation has nothing to do with the job Dave does.   DeWitt would probably be happy to give him a significant raise, because he deserves one.<br />
Yet the bitterness has nothing to do with money.   More money cannot undo or allow Dave to forget what has happenned with his son.  Because Dave has integrity, I would suspect that he will depart, after the season.   Best not to make a public statement, which accomplishes nothing.   Just walk into the sunset.</p>
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		<title>By: JumboShrimp</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/08/30/will-duncan-end-up-like-rolen/#comment-4728</link>
		<dc:creator>JumboShrimp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 12:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the liberation.   I think it owes to me hitting the submit button either too weakly or too strongly, upon occasion.  There must be a confusing signal that is received.   The epithets generally stay tucked safely away in my noggin.   

The more I think about it, the more I believe our dear Daddy Duncan is headed out of town.   He cannot say so clearly at this time, since the season has to run its course.   And he has sent mixed signals about the source of his unhappiness, which confuses fans.   

I figure Dunc can ignore dopey thoughts posted on message boards.  And he could in a sense ignore fan complaints about Chris.   

His son suffered an injury.  Ok, injuries happen.   The root problem is it was mishandled.   This may have been unintended.   Chris may have been an important party to the fiasco, which Dave acknowledges.   But if its true that Dave yelled at the trainers (or Tony or Mo) that nobody was looking after Chris&#039; health (in 2008), then that seems a tough thing to foregive.   Dave Duncan does not have to work for the Cardinals.   He can retire or find employment elsewhere.   It would have to be hard to continue to take salary from a team that mishandled your son&#039;s injury in 2008 and thereby may have potentially cut-short his ML career.  To re-sign would be tatamount to endorsing what happenned with Chris.   Dave Duncan is a straight shooter and not wishy washy.   He is unhappy and I doubt he is going to rediscover happiness here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the liberation.   I think it owes to me hitting the submit button either too weakly or too strongly, upon occasion.  There must be a confusing signal that is received.   The epithets generally stay tucked safely away in my noggin.   </p>
<p>The more I think about it, the more I believe our dear Daddy Duncan is headed out of town.   He cannot say so clearly at this time, since the season has to run its course.   And he has sent mixed signals about the source of his unhappiness, which confuses fans.   </p>
<p>I figure Dunc can ignore dopey thoughts posted on message boards.  And he could in a sense ignore fan complaints about Chris.   </p>
<p>His son suffered an injury.  Ok, injuries happen.   The root problem is it was mishandled.   This may have been unintended.   Chris may have been an important party to the fiasco, which Dave acknowledges.   But if its true that Dave yelled at the trainers (or Tony or Mo) that nobody was looking after Chris&#8217; health (in 2008), then that seems a tough thing to foregive.   Dave Duncan does not have to work for the Cardinals.   He can retire or find employment elsewhere.   It would have to be hard to continue to take salary from a team that mishandled your son&#8217;s injury in 2008 and thereby may have potentially cut-short his ML career.  To re-sign would be tatamount to endorsing what happenned with Chris.   Dave Duncan is a straight shooter and not wishy washy.   He is unhappy and I doubt he is going to rediscover happiness here.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Walton</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/08/30/will-duncan-end-up-like-rolen/#comment-4727</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Walton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 11:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jumbo, your post has been freed from the spam filter. Every now and then, one of your posts ends up there. I cannot explain why as you don&#039;t use profanity and don&#039;t include more than two links in your posts (two primary offenses). 

Unlike regular posts, which I am informed of, suspected spam just sits in the filter until I think of going there to check it. Sorry about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jumbo, your post has been freed from the spam filter. Every now and then, one of your posts ends up there. I cannot explain why as you don&#8217;t use profanity and don&#8217;t include more than two links in your posts (two primary offenses). </p>
<p>Unlike regular posts, which I am informed of, suspected spam just sits in the filter until I think of going there to check it. Sorry about that.</p>
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		<title>By: JumboShrimp</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/08/30/will-duncan-end-up-like-rolen/#comment-4724</link>
		<dc:creator>JumboShrimp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 05:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried to add a comment in this thread a few hours back.   Did it go into a holding queue or did it just get lost in tramsmission?</description>
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		<title>By: JumboShrimp</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/08/30/will-duncan-end-up-like-rolen/#comment-4722</link>
		<dc:creator>JumboShrimp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 02:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few clarifications in response to comments.....

Did Tony and Dave &quot;inescapably&quot; try to steamroll a new GM, Mo.   No.  This idea can be laid to rest.   Mo joined the Cards in 1995 or 1996.   He is long familiar with players in the organization.  Mo even directed the 1999 draft in which the Cards selected Chris Duncan in the supplemental first round, about 46th in the nation IIRC.  Mo was involved in recruitment of Chris from amateur ranks.  

Is Chris Duncan&#039;s injury a &quot;ruse&quot;?   Chris Duncan had a metallic disk installed in his neck to replace a disk he was born with.   So yeah, he was injured in 2007 and aggravated his injury to the point of rupture while deemed playable with a bulging disk.   

Compare CD&#039;s situation to a pitcher who undergoes a shoulder surgery.   The surgery may have been performed, but few pitchers are quite the same after shoulder surgery.   The new disk has relieved Chris of pain and enables him to live a normal life, but its possible that his peak abilities as a hitter are not restored 100 percent.  If so, he would not now be suffering from a disabling injury, but he could have dimunition of his baseball prowess owing to his 2007 and 2008 injuries.   Dave Duncan may have wanted him evaluated by a neurological specialist, since nerves run through the spinal column.  They are protected by the bones that constitute the spine. 

Chris&#039; &quot;failure&quot; does not merely owe to strike zone and pitch selection.   The guy got a new disk in his neck, an unprecedented surgery for a baseball player.    

Nor did Chris&#039; struggles owe to the fantasy of codependency and confidence problems.   Chris hammered the ball in 2006 and the first half of 2007, until he suffered two serious physical injuries.  Nothing mental about his injuries.   They were all too real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few clarifications in response to comments&#8230;..</p>
<p>Did Tony and Dave &#8220;inescapably&#8221; try to steamroll a new GM, Mo.   No.  This idea can be laid to rest.   Mo joined the Cards in 1995 or 1996.   He is long familiar with players in the organization.  Mo even directed the 1999 draft in which the Cards selected Chris Duncan in the supplemental first round, about 46th in the nation IIRC.  Mo was involved in recruitment of Chris from amateur ranks.  </p>
<p>Is Chris Duncan&#8217;s injury a &#8220;ruse&#8221;?   Chris Duncan had a metallic disk installed in his neck to replace a disk he was born with.   So yeah, he was injured in 2007 and aggravated his injury to the point of rupture while deemed playable with a bulging disk.   </p>
<p>Compare CD&#8217;s situation to a pitcher who undergoes a shoulder surgery.   The surgery may have been performed, but few pitchers are quite the same after shoulder surgery.   The new disk has relieved Chris of pain and enables him to live a normal life, but its possible that his peak abilities as a hitter are not restored 100 percent.  If so, he would not now be suffering from a disabling injury, but he could have dimunition of his baseball prowess owing to his 2007 and 2008 injuries.   Dave Duncan may have wanted him evaluated by a neurological specialist, since nerves run through the spinal column.  They are protected by the bones that constitute the spine. </p>
<p>Chris&#8217; &#8220;failure&#8221; does not merely owe to strike zone and pitch selection.   The guy got a new disk in his neck, an unprecedented surgery for a baseball player.    </p>
<p>Nor did Chris&#8217; struggles owe to the fantasy of codependency and confidence problems.   Chris hammered the ball in 2006 and the first half of 2007, until he suffered two serious physical injuries.  Nothing mental about his injuries.   They were all too real.</p>
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		<title>By: WestCoastbirdWatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>WestCoastbirdWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a firm believer in Bicameralism  BB, but I would tend to see it in a little different way.  Chris had the second best swing on the team.  Dave was in fact trying to help him see and speculate on how pitchers would handle him.  It just intensified his real problem which was a serious codependent and confidence problem.  Towards the end, his need to display some power to enhance his career possibilities, just made it look that much worse.  He is gone now.  Dave will stay with Tony in the end, but they will both be coaching elsewhere unless they find a hitting consultant.

Pujols will never enter into his option year.  DeWitt would have to be a complete idiot to allow that to happen.  That means there will be a bunch of exciting events for all in Cardinal land to enjoy in the meantime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a firm believer in Bicameralism  BB, but I would tend to see it in a little different way.  Chris had the second best swing on the team.  Dave was in fact trying to help him see and speculate on how pitchers would handle him.  It just intensified his real problem which was a serious codependent and confidence problem.  Towards the end, his need to display some power to enhance his career possibilities, just made it look that much worse.  He is gone now.  Dave will stay with Tony in the end, but they will both be coaching elsewhere unless they find a hitting consultant.</p>
<p>Pujols will never enter into his option year.  DeWitt would have to be a complete idiot to allow that to happen.  That means there will be a bunch of exciting events for all in Cardinal land to enjoy in the meantime.</p>
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		<title>By: blingboy</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that most lefties are right eye dominant and vise versa, so a left handed batter would have his dominant eye toward the pitcher and vise versa.  Chris being a right handed fielder might be left eye dominant.  His neck issue may have affected his ability to get his left eye around to track the ball.  Maybe altering his stance to face the pitcher a little more would help.  (Such a stance would also force him to shorten that monstrous windmill swing)   I&#039;m surprised it wasn&#039;t tried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that most lefties are right eye dominant and vise versa, so a left handed batter would have his dominant eye toward the pitcher and vise versa.  Chris being a right handed fielder might be left eye dominant.  His neck issue may have affected his ability to get his left eye around to track the ball.  Maybe altering his stance to face the pitcher a little more would help.  (Such a stance would also force him to shorten that monstrous windmill swing)   I&#8217;m surprised it wasn&#8217;t tried.</p>
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		<title>By: WestCoastbirdWatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>WestCoastbirdWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure all this surrounds the definition of &quot;playability&quot; after the neck surgery CC.  It would all have been in his medical transcript.  His failure as a player in my mind was all strike zone and pitch selection, like most Cardinals.  Lets not forget that baseball is a lucrative business and up until the Holiday trade, Tony and Dave couldn&#039;t have been taking the front office too seriously.  I think they were just milking the front office a bit with the suggestion the Chris was a viable option.  What seems apparent is that Mo/BD didn&#039;t seem to care as long as Colby got playing time.  That a sobering thought huh..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure all this surrounds the definition of &#8220;playability&#8221; after the neck surgery CC.  It would all have been in his medical transcript.  His failure as a player in my mind was all strike zone and pitch selection, like most Cardinals.  Lets not forget that baseball is a lucrative business and up until the Holiday trade, Tony and Dave couldn&#8217;t have been taking the front office too seriously.  I think they were just milking the front office a bit with the suggestion the Chris was a viable option.  What seems apparent is that Mo/BD didn&#8217;t seem to care as long as Colby got playing time.  That a sobering thought huh..</p>
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		<title>By: CariocaCardinal</title>
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		<dc:creator>CariocaCardinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t the injury thing just a ruse?  If duncan was truly injured he couldn&#039;t have been legally optioned to Memphis.  Even if Mo didn&#039;t know, Duncan and his agent would have quickly filed a grievance.  Did Boston also accept and release an injured player?  sounds like too many people involved to be a conspiracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t the injury thing just a ruse?  If duncan was truly injured he couldn&#8217;t have been legally optioned to Memphis.  Even if Mo didn&#8217;t know, Duncan and his agent would have quickly filed a grievance.  Did Boston also accept and release an injured player?  sounds like too many people involved to be a conspiracy.</p>
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		<title>By: blingboy</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice link Jumbo, thanks.  One aspect of all this that hasn&#039;t been chewed on much is that the Tony and Dave team is actually the remaining 2/3 of a gang of 3 which included Walt.  The three of them were together for over 20 years except for Walt&#039;s first year in St. Louis.  It seems inescapable that Dave and Tony tried to steamroll the new guy (Mo) regarding Chris.  There can only be one boss.  The Times piece reminds us of what a huge loss the exit of Dave would be.  He&#039;s the Albert of pitching coaches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice link Jumbo, thanks.  One aspect of all this that hasn&#8217;t been chewed on much is that the Tony and Dave team is actually the remaining 2/3 of a gang of 3 which included Walt.  The three of them were together for over 20 years except for Walt&#8217;s first year in St. Louis.  It seems inescapable that Dave and Tony tried to steamroll the new guy (Mo) regarding Chris.  There can only be one boss.  The Times piece reminds us of what a huge loss the exit of Dave would be.  He&#8217;s the Albert of pitching coaches.</p>
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		<title>By: JumboShrimp</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/08/30/will-duncan-end-up-like-rolen/#comment-4704</link>
		<dc:creator>JumboShrimp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todays Times...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/31/sports/baseball/31duncan.html?_r=1&amp;hpw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todays Times&#8230;<br />
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		<title>By: Axcion</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/08/30/will-duncan-end-up-like-rolen/#comment-4703</link>
		<dc:creator>Axcion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s my prediction on this subject gents;  DD will temporarily retire after this year, and like a good dad, he will dedicate his time to resurrecting Chris&#039;s career.  He&#039;ll do it out of love for his son and to prove to all of the detractors that his son can indeed still play the game.  He will come back to the majors only when that has happened or if Chris&#039;s injury proves to much for him to continue.  

Write it down as dogma.....or dog manure, whichever you choose.  I base this prediction on pure fatherly instinct.  It&#039;s what I would do and I get the feeling DD will too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my prediction on this subject gents;  DD will temporarily retire after this year, and like a good dad, he will dedicate his time to resurrecting Chris&#8217;s career.  He&#8217;ll do it out of love for his son and to prove to all of the detractors that his son can indeed still play the game.  He will come back to the majors only when that has happened or if Chris&#8217;s injury proves to much for him to continue.  </p>
<p>Write it down as dogma&#8230;..or dog manure, whichever you choose.  I base this prediction on pure fatherly instinct.  It&#8217;s what I would do and I get the feeling DD will too.</p>
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		<title>By: WestCoastbirdWatcher</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/08/30/will-duncan-end-up-like-rolen/#comment-4697</link>
		<dc:creator>WestCoastbirdWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 05:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A reasonable summation Jumbo.  The problem is that Tony knew the risks and shared them at the expense of the team.  Chris&#039;s wall hugging defensive position at Wrigley was a necessity of his usage.  A collision could have been fatal and yet he was still there.  It is still unproven that Chris was failing because of pain.  They are still trying not to stigmatize his career by suggesting that his condition may improve.  This is about betrayal and it has nothing to do with Tony.  Dave is venting but Tony is consenting.  This is about something, as I have suggested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A reasonable summation Jumbo.  The problem is that Tony knew the risks and shared them at the expense of the team.  Chris&#8217;s wall hugging defensive position at Wrigley was a necessity of his usage.  A collision could have been fatal and yet he was still there.  It is still unproven that Chris was failing because of pain.  They are still trying not to stigmatize his career by suggesting that his condition may improve.  This is about betrayal and it has nothing to do with Tony.  Dave is venting but Tony is consenting.  This is about something, as I have suggested.</p>
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		<title>By: JumboShrimp</title>
		<link>http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/08/30/will-duncan-end-up-like-rolen/#comment-4696</link>
		<dc:creator>JumboShrimp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 05:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you were a father, with a son, and both of you worked for the same company.  Your son is injured in the line of duty and his injury misdiagnosed and mismanaged.  Your son becomes unable to perform his job effectively and the employer fires him.   

Given that you can get a job with any of 29 other companies in your industry, would you renew your contract to continue working for your current employer, the one that mishandled your son&#039;s health and then fired him?

I suspect for Dave Duncan the answer is no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you were a father, with a son, and both of you worked for the same company.  Your son is injured in the line of duty and his injury misdiagnosed and mismanaged.  Your son becomes unable to perform his job effectively and the employer fires him.   </p>
<p>Given that you can get a job with any of 29 other companies in your industry, would you renew your contract to continue working for your current employer, the one that mishandled your son&#8217;s health and then fired him?</p>
<p>I suspect for Dave Duncan the answer is no.</p>
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		<title>By: JumboShrimp</title>
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		<dc:creator>JumboShrimp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 05:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Mo chose to get rid of the Chris situation by sending him to Boston.  Mo sent Chris to Memphis last May.  Mo must have had enough of the Chris situation by July 09, because as Dave hints, we could have found someone else to trade for Lugo.  Dave realizes the Cards deliberately decided to rid themselves of Chris.   
 
I suspect Dave is trying to figure out what caused the Cards to jettison Chris.   Two answers for him are the media and the fans.  This explanation may somewhat overlook the poor hitting that inspired the fans and media to get riled up.    

As to why Dave was involved in arranging a medical evaluation, that is easy.   Like Rolen and Brian Jordan, Dave has developed doubt about medical evaluations by the Cards.   He wanted an independant, outside opinion to find out where Chris is at.   

While this is overall an unhappy situation, I have liked some of the quotes because they seem sincere.  One was Rolen talking about &quot;putting your head down at night.&quot;   Another was Dave Duncan realizing that neither his son, nor the training staff, had Chris&#039;s best interest (his health) in mind (back in 2008), when Chris&#039; neck pain went undiagnosed for too long and led to a ruptured disk.  Dave has that right and it is the crux of his pain, as a parent.  Dave is honest, so he does not absolve Chris of blame for his part in this fiasco.   He also does not absolve the Cards training staff, TLR, and Mo, who collectively considered Chris playable.   

I suspect Dave and Tony are headed toward splitsville.  It would take a lot to break them up after all these years, but having your son&#039;s health mis-managed would be sufficient grounds. Dave is loyal to his pitchers and will work with them through the rest of his contract.   Then he will depart.  TLR has prepared the public for this potential outcome in comments quoted by Strauss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Mo chose to get rid of the Chris situation by sending him to Boston.  Mo sent Chris to Memphis last May.  Mo must have had enough of the Chris situation by July 09, because as Dave hints, we could have found someone else to trade for Lugo.  Dave realizes the Cards deliberately decided to rid themselves of Chris.   </p>
<p>I suspect Dave is trying to figure out what caused the Cards to jettison Chris.   Two answers for him are the media and the fans.  This explanation may somewhat overlook the poor hitting that inspired the fans and media to get riled up.    </p>
<p>As to why Dave was involved in arranging a medical evaluation, that is easy.   Like Rolen and Brian Jordan, Dave has developed doubt about medical evaluations by the Cards.   He wanted an independant, outside opinion to find out where Chris is at.   </p>
<p>While this is overall an unhappy situation, I have liked some of the quotes because they seem sincere.  One was Rolen talking about &#8220;putting your head down at night.&#8221;   Another was Dave Duncan realizing that neither his son, nor the training staff, had Chris&#8217;s best interest (his health) in mind (back in 2008), when Chris&#8217; neck pain went undiagnosed for too long and led to a ruptured disk.  Dave has that right and it is the crux of his pain, as a parent.  Dave is honest, so he does not absolve Chris of blame for his part in this fiasco.   He also does not absolve the Cards training staff, TLR, and Mo, who collectively considered Chris playable.   </p>
<p>I suspect Dave and Tony are headed toward splitsville.  It would take a lot to break them up after all these years, but having your son&#8217;s health mis-managed would be sufficient grounds. Dave is loyal to his pitchers and will work with them through the rest of his contract.   Then he will depart.  TLR has prepared the public for this potential outcome in comments quoted by Strauss.</p>
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		<title>By: WestCoastbirdWatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>WestCoastbirdWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 03:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry BB about missing your question.  Its call nepotism behind the Steinbrenner line.  Coaches prerogatives about the value and talent of a ball player.  Chris had this protection the whole time.  BD changed things.  The real victims were Kennedy, the astronaut and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry BB about missing your question.  Its call nepotism behind the Steinbrenner line.  Coaches prerogatives about the value and talent of a ball player.  Chris had this protection the whole time.  BD changed things.  The real victims were Kennedy, the astronaut and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: WestCoastbirdWatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>WestCoastbirdWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 03:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have contended for a long time BB that there was a real divide between Coaches and management.
Things changed when BD  had the poop scared out of him by the intensity of the Albert hype at the All Star game.  Management is playing fast and loose to attain their goals.  I like their moves.  Truth be know, Dave had to ask for leave to tend to family business that he thinks should have been team business.  He is emotional.  Fact remains that both sides are playing the situation as I have stated in thread.  Its really a non factor, but both sides are trying to exploit these new revelations..  Dave can&#039;t go any farther.  Neither can Mo/BD.  I think its cathartic.  It will die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have contended for a long time BB that there was a real divide between Coaches and management.<br />
Things changed when BD  had the poop scared out of him by the intensity of the Albert hype at the All Star game.  Management is playing fast and loose to attain their goals.  I like their moves.  Truth be know, Dave had to ask for leave to tend to family business that he thinks should have been team business.  He is emotional.  Fact remains that both sides are playing the situation as I have stated in thread.  Its really a non factor, but both sides are trying to exploit these new revelations..  Dave can&#8217;t go any farther.  Neither can Mo/BD.  I think its cathartic.  It will die.</p>
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		<title>By: blingboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>blingboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 03:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Westy, I think you are exactly right.  My point is why was DD calling the shots for a 28 year old man who was not on the pitching staff.  Why was Dave asking for permission, why was Dave getting ready to have him shut down, etc etc.  This would make it impossible for the organization to deal with the player as it would with a player who did not have a valued senior staff member throwing his weight around.  What a nightmare for the boss, especially when things go wrong.  Mo got sick of it.  If Dave got run over, its because he wouldn&#039;t get out of the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Westy, I think you are exactly right.  My point is why was DD calling the shots for a 28 year old man who was not on the pitching staff.  Why was Dave asking for permission, why was Dave getting ready to have him shut down, etc etc.  This would make it impossible for the organization to deal with the player as it would with a player who did not have a valued senior staff member throwing his weight around.  What a nightmare for the boss, especially when things go wrong.  Mo got sick of it.  If Dave got run over, its because he wouldn&#8217;t get out of the way.</p>
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		<title>By: WestCoastbirdWatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>WestCoastbirdWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the exploratory nature of the surgery was beyond Cardinal expertise BB.  Its my guess Dave asked for permission from the team to have him checked.  A Week to ten days would be a reasonable guess for a busy surgeon.  My guess is Dave was getting ready to have Chris shut down for a few months to allow this mess to blow over.  Mo ran him over.  Thats my guess at whats cooking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the exploratory nature of the surgery was beyond Cardinal expertise BB.  Its my guess Dave asked for permission from the team to have him checked.  A Week to ten days would be a reasonable guess for a busy surgeon.  My guess is Dave was getting ready to have Chris shut down for a few months to allow this mess to blow over.  Mo ran him over.  Thats my guess at whats cooking.</p>
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		<title>By: blingboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>blingboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You opened a bottomless can of worms Brian.</description>
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		<title>By: blingboy</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it a know fact that DD set up that appointment, or just supposition?  Chris is 28 so what would his dad have to do with it.?  He&#039;s not a pitcher so what would the pitching coach have to do with it?  My 27 year old son and his wife would politely ask me to butt out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it a know fact that DD set up that appointment, or just supposition?  Chris is 28 so what would his dad have to do with it.?  He&#8217;s not a pitcher so what would the pitching coach have to do with it?  My 27 year old son and his wife would politely ask me to butt out.</p>
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		<title>By: WestCoastbirdWatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>WestCoastbirdWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also Dave&#039;s trip to Huston was obviously in support of Chris finally getting to that Medical evaluation with its mysterious and now private prognosis.  Chris is out of baseball.  Who pays?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also Dave&#8217;s trip to Huston was obviously in support of Chris finally getting to that Medical evaluation with its mysterious and now private prognosis.  Chris is out of baseball.  Who pays?</p>
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		<title>By: WestCoastbirdWatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>WestCoastbirdWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That would be a wrong reading CC.  The press and fans focused on Albert&#039;s slump was just creating problems.  These guys are not above running a little distraction to take Albert out of the center ring.  It&#039;s also a convenient way to air some of their grievances that I believe I have tried to point out here and on other blogs pre-season.  I have contended all along the Tony and Dave would be leaving after this year.  The radical change in direction by the Cardinals has opened up some options that one would assume changed things some how.  I contended in March that there was an agreement with Dave that Chris would be with the team.  I believe Dave setting up an appointment in Huston for Chris shows that he was aware that Chris running out of time.  These speculations are in the thread.  Dave&#039;s public displays and statements don&#039;t make any sense unless he feels they accomplish something.  In my mind the only thing that is really happening is Dave is getting all the attention being the lead story.  To me, thats more in character, as it seems to be working.  His raise this year puts him up there with most managers.  It is highly unlikely that Tony and Dave ever split up.  Watch Tony&#039;s lead on this story.

On the lighter side.  We don&#039;t want to be the division winner with the worst record.  Home field is huge in the first round especially.  Giants and Rockie were raking today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would be a wrong reading CC.  The press and fans focused on Albert&#8217;s slump was just creating problems.  These guys are not above running a little distraction to take Albert out of the center ring.  It&#8217;s also a convenient way to air some of their grievances that I believe I have tried to point out here and on other blogs pre-season.  I have contended all along the Tony and Dave would be leaving after this year.  The radical change in direction by the Cardinals has opened up some options that one would assume changed things some how.  I contended in March that there was an agreement with Dave that Chris would be with the team.  I believe Dave setting up an appointment in Huston for Chris shows that he was aware that Chris running out of time.  These speculations are in the thread.  Dave&#8217;s public displays and statements don&#8217;t make any sense unless he feels they accomplish something.  In my mind the only thing that is really happening is Dave is getting all the attention being the lead story.  To me, thats more in character, as it seems to be working.  His raise this year puts him up there with most managers.  It is highly unlikely that Tony and Dave ever split up.  Watch Tony&#8217;s lead on this story.</p>
<p>On the lighter side.  We don&#8217;t want to be the division winner with the worst record.  Home field is huge in the first round especially.  Giants and Rockie were raking today.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Walton</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 01:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Duncan blame game. Choose all of the following:

- The fans
- The media
- The front office
- The medical staff
- The minor league pitching philosophy

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- The player
- Yourself</description>
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- The media<br />
- The front office<br />
- The medical staff<br />
- The minor league pitching philosophy</p>
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- Yourself</p>
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