Comments on: Carp’s scoreless games can’t touch Gibby http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/07/18/carps-scoreless-games-cant-touch-gibby/ Brian Walton's news and commentary on the St. Louis Cardinals (TM) and their minor league system Thu, 24 May 2012 15:31:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Brian http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/07/18/carps-scoreless-games-cant-touch-gibby/#comment-3830 Brian Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:41:49 +0000 http://thecardinalnation.com/?p=4061#comment-3830 Actually, Jmo, two years ago, you did <a href=http://stlcardinals.scout.com/2/622277.html rel="nofollow">rank</a> the Cards' all-time pitchers. Of course, Carp has been mostly injured since then so that list ought to be pretty representative of today. <a href=http://stlcardinals.scout.com/2/622277.html rel="nofollow">Your top five</a> were: Gibson, Dean, Sutter, Brecheen and Forsch with Cooper right behind them. Then you had Tudor and Carlton with Carp at the end (your #9 pitcher and #40 overall). Hard for me to understand how a partial season of Carpenter during which he spent part of the time on the DL could have changed things so much... Actually, Jmo, two years ago, you did rank the Cards’ all-time pitchers. Of course, Carp has been mostly injured since then so that list ought to be pretty representative of today.

Your top five were: Gibson, Dean, Sutter, Brecheen and Forsch with Cooper right behind them. Then you had Tudor and Carlton with Carp at the end (your #9 pitcher and #40 overall).

Hard for me to understand how a partial season of Carpenter during which he spent part of the time on the DL could have changed things so much…

]]> By: Jmodene http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/07/18/carps-scoreless-games-cant-touch-gibby/#comment-3828 Jmodene Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:53:28 +0000 http://thecardinalnation.com/?p=4061#comment-3828 If not for the injuries, Carp would certainly be among the top five Cardinal pitchers of all time. In fact, I seem to recall that we rated him among the top 40 Cardinals of all-time when we did that series after the 2006 season; naturally, this was before he got hurt and missed most of 2007 and 2008. As it is, I'd probably rate the top 5 Cardinal pitchers of all time as: 1-Gibson, 2-Dean, 3-Tudor, 4-Sutter, 5-Cooper, with Carpenter right behind them. A healthy Carp would probably be up to #3 by now; even with the injuries, his winning percentage as a Cardinal now stands at .720 (59-and-23 lifetime as a Card), John Tudor, who used to hold the Cardinal record at .705, was 62-and-26 as a Card. Of course, if Carp goes 3-3 over his next six decisions, he'd be tied with Tudor. ;) If not for the injuries, Carp would certainly be among the top five Cardinal pitchers of all time. In fact, I seem to recall that we rated him among the top 40 Cardinals of all-time when we did that series after the 2006 season; naturally, this was before he got hurt and missed most of 2007 and 2008.

As it is, I’d probably rate the top 5 Cardinal pitchers of all time as: 1-Gibson, 2-Dean, 3-Tudor, 4-Sutter, 5-Cooper, with Carpenter right behind them.

A healthy Carp would probably be up to #3 by now; even with the injuries, his winning percentage as a Cardinal now stands at .720 (59-and-23 lifetime as a Card), John Tudor, who used to hold the Cardinal record at .705, was 62-and-26 as a Card. Of course, if Carp goes 3-3 over his next six decisions, he’d be tied with Tudor. ;)

]]> By: JumboShrimp http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/07/18/carps-scoreless-games-cant-touch-gibby/#comment-3826 JumboShrimp Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:45:41 +0000 http://thecardinalnation.com/?p=4061#comment-3826 Carpenter began pitching for the Cards in 2004. He missed most of the 2007-8 seasons. Carp has pitched less than 4 seasons with the CArds, 750 innings about. Gibby pitched 17 seasons for the Cards (1959-1975), 3884 IP. To compare on a per inning basis, if Carpenter had 5 times the innings as a Cardinal and if he maintained this level of performance (big ifs), then he could have 60 in column 1 (second place) and 95 in column 2 (first place). Gibson was very durable. He ate a lot of innings. They reached the majors about the same age, 22 for Carp, 23 for Gibson. Gibson will record more innings during his career, owing to Carpenters injuries. Carpenter began pitching for the Cards in 2004. He missed most of the 2007-8 seasons. Carp has pitched less than 4 seasons with the CArds, 750 innings about. Gibby pitched 17 seasons for the Cards (1959-1975), 3884 IP.
To compare on a per inning basis, if Carpenter had 5 times the innings as a Cardinal and if he maintained this level of performance (big ifs), then he could have 60 in column 1 (second place) and 95 in column 2 (first place).
Gibson was very durable. He ate a lot of innings. They reached the majors about the same age, 22 for Carp, 23 for Gibson. Gibson will record more innings during his career, owing to Carpenters injuries.

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