Comments on: The Cards’ 25th man, the DH and MLB indecision http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/05/12/the-cards-25th-man-the-dh-and-mlb-indecision/ Brian Walton's news and commentary on the St. Louis Cardinals (TM) and their minor league system Sun, 12 Feb 2012 20:13:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Nutlaw http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/05/12/the-cards-25th-man-the-dh-and-mlb-indecision/#comment-2767 Nutlaw Thu, 14 May 2009 00:34:31 +0000 http://thecardinalnation.com/?p=3273#comment-2767 Kickers only kick. Batters both field and hit. The NFL doesn't require players to serve on both offense and defense. The NFL and other sports also have a heck of a lot more crossover between leagues during the regular season than MLB does. Interleague play is very limited. Your analogy is weak. :D Kickers only kick. Batters both field and hit. The NFL doesn’t require players to serve on both offense and defense.

The NFL and other sports also have a heck of a lot more crossover between leagues during the regular season than MLB does. Interleague play is very limited.

Your analogy is weak. :D

]]> By: Brian http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/05/12/the-cards-25th-man-the-dh-and-mlb-indecision/#comment-2752 Brian Wed, 13 May 2009 11:30:43 +0000 http://thecardinalnation.com/?p=3273#comment-2752 Nutlaw, for more offense and to extend the playing life of aging kickers, I think the NFL should move the goal posts up ten yards to the goal line. But they should just try it in the AFC and keep the NFC the way it is. Nutlaw, for more offense and to extend the playing life of aging kickers, I think the NFL should move the goal posts up ten yards to the goal line. But they should just try it in the AFC and keep the NFC the way it is.

]]> By: WestCoastbirdWatcher http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/05/12/the-cards-25th-man-the-dh-and-mlb-indecision/#comment-2746 WestCoastbirdWatcher Wed, 13 May 2009 00:40:52 +0000 http://thecardinalnation.com/?p=3273#comment-2746 Anyone want to speculate on the 7 run threshold for Welly's removal? Was it our 1 run with little signs of life? Anyone want to speculate on the 7 run threshold for Welly’s removal? Was it our 1 run with little signs of life?

]]> By: WestCoastbirdWatcher http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/05/12/the-cards-25th-man-the-dh-and-mlb-indecision/#comment-2745 WestCoastbirdWatcher Tue, 12 May 2009 23:16:17 +0000 http://thecardinalnation.com/?p=3273#comment-2745 Albert leads off with a hr. His back foot was touching inside chalk, 2 to 3 inches closer than Sunday. His front foot is normal, but if you watch he will tap it sneaking closer with every movement in a game of cat and mouse with the catcher. Ludwick was a little closer and more closed also. I am encouraged. Tip of the hat to McRae, if it is his work. Albert leads off with a hr. His back foot was touching inside chalk, 2 to 3 inches closer than Sunday. His front foot is normal, but if you watch he will tap it sneaking closer with every movement in a game of cat and mouse with the catcher. Ludwick was a little closer and more closed also. I am encouraged. Tip of the hat to McRae, if it is his work.

]]> By: Nutlaw http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/05/12/the-cards-25th-man-the-dh-and-mlb-indecision/#comment-2744 Nutlaw Tue, 12 May 2009 22:28:44 +0000 http://thecardinalnation.com/?p=3273#comment-2744 Some say that the AL gets the advantage in AL-NL matchups because their rosters are built with an extra clunky fielder. Some say that the NL gets the advantage because their pitchers get more practice batting. I'm happy to call it a wash and appreciate the uniqueness of each league rather than demanding uniformity for the sake of aesthetics. Some say that the AL gets the advantage in AL-NL matchups because their rosters are built with an extra clunky fielder. Some say that the NL gets the advantage because their pitchers get more practice batting. I’m happy to call it a wash and appreciate the uniqueness of each league rather than demanding uniformity for the sake of aesthetics.

]]> By: Brian http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/05/12/the-cards-25th-man-the-dh-and-mlb-indecision/#comment-2743 Brian Tue, 12 May 2009 19:20:01 +0000 http://thecardinalnation.com/?p=3273#comment-2743 cfit, good point about interleague and World Series. Going to a balanced schedule would make divisions meaningless. Would you just take the top six teams in the post-season? cfit, good point about interleague and World Series. Going to a balanced schedule would make divisions meaningless. Would you just take the top six teams in the post-season?

]]> By: cardsfaninttown http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/05/12/the-cards-25th-man-the-dh-and-mlb-indecision/#comment-2742 cardsfaninttown Tue, 12 May 2009 18:03:40 +0000 http://thecardinalnation.com/?p=3273#comment-2742 I like that a 25 man roster requires some creativity and thought about when to make a move. I hate the DH for the same reason. The decision of when to remove a SP is easier, benches get used less. If the MLBPA is too concerned, add one extra roster spot and eliminate the DH. It is a +15 for the PA, but would likely be less money to each player than is now used for the DH spot on the roster. I agree that the DH rule needs reconciliation. It creates an unfair advantage to the AL during interleague and the World Series. They are built with more big time hitters in mind. The bullpen isn't as important, except for a few at the backend because they get called on less frequently. I prefer no DH. Hope it happens. I also have a major problem with unbalanced scheduling when there is a wild card. How can you compare the Cards and Mets when we don't play the same teams, the same number of times. I think that is a real problem. I like that a 25 man roster requires some creativity and thought about when to make a move. I hate the DH for the same reason. The decision of when to remove a SP is easier, benches get used less.

If the MLBPA is too concerned, add one extra roster spot and eliminate the DH. It is a +15 for the PA, but would likely be less money to each player than is now used for the DH spot on the roster.

I agree that the DH rule needs reconciliation. It creates an unfair advantage to the AL during interleague and the World Series. They are built with more big time hitters in mind. The bullpen isn’t as important, except for a few at the backend because they get called on less frequently. I prefer no DH. Hope it happens.

I also have a major problem with unbalanced scheduling when there is a wild card. How can you compare the Cards and Mets when we don’t play the same teams, the same number of times. I think that is a real problem.

]]> By: JumboShrimp http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/05/12/the-cards-25th-man-the-dh-and-mlb-indecision/#comment-2736 JumboShrimp Tue, 12 May 2009 07:54:05 +0000 http://thecardinalnation.com/?p=3273#comment-2736 I am a fan of the National League and tend toward tolerance. I do not care if AL teams have a DH. And I am supportive of the Cardinals. If Tony wants 8 relievers, he should have them, as indeed he does. Great job Mo! As regards PEDs, they must be widely used in all competitive sports, professional and amateur, in keeping with the growth in pharmacological knowledge and player salaries. To adjust to public expectations, MLB has introduced more PED testing than most sports. Bud has been doing a good job in the hopelessly murky arena of PEDs. And where did the story break about Boras' educational background in sports pharmacology? Right here, at the Cardinal Nation, thanks to an intrepid poster. I am a fan of the National League and tend toward tolerance. I do not care if AL teams have a DH.
And I am supportive of the Cardinals. If Tony wants 8 relievers, he should have them, as indeed he does. Great job Mo!
As regards PEDs, they must be widely used in all competitive sports, professional and amateur, in keeping with the growth in pharmacological knowledge and player salaries. To adjust to public expectations, MLB has introduced more PED testing than most sports. Bud has been doing a good job in the hopelessly murky arena of PEDs.
And where did the story break about Boras’ educational background in sports pharmacology? Right here, at the Cardinal Nation, thanks to an intrepid poster.

]]> By: DizzyDean17 http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/05/12/the-cards-25th-man-the-dh-and-mlb-indecision/#comment-2734 DizzyDean17 Tue, 12 May 2009 07:17:51 +0000 http://thecardinalnation.com/?p=3273#comment-2734 Brian, we can blame Bud Selig for a lot of things but the DH was pretty entrenched when he took the reins. I don't like it and wish it had never been implemented but the American League was lagging behind the NL in attendance at the time and the NL kicked their butts in the All-Star game every year. They were trying something radical. Oh well. What I would like to see MLB do is change the blackout rules for the Saturday Game of the Week from the regional games they now have. ABC used to (and probably still does) offer out of area regional games for a price. Living in California, I rarely get to see any team but whoever the Dodgers or Angels are playing on a Saturday on Fox. I'd pay $4.95 to get to watch the Cards play their game, which is also on Fox and I'm sure thousands of others around the country would do the same every Saturday if they had a choice of three or four games outside their area. It makes no sense whatsoever to hold people captive for six hours every Saturday. What imbeciles came up with this plan? Another thing they could do would be to tie my Saturday "choice" package into the Extra Innings package they sell to DirecTV and to the cable companies. They might double their subscribers. It's too simple. It's free money. How can they pass it up? Brian, we can blame Bud Selig for a lot of things but the DH was pretty entrenched when he took the reins. I don’t like it and wish it had never been implemented but the American League was lagging behind the NL in attendance at the time and the NL kicked their butts in the All-Star game every year. They were trying something radical. Oh well.

What I would like to see MLB do is change the blackout rules for the Saturday Game of the Week from the regional games they now have. ABC used to (and probably still does) offer out of area regional games for a price.

Living in California, I rarely get to see any team but whoever the Dodgers or Angels are playing on a Saturday on Fox. I’d pay $4.95 to get to watch the Cards play their game, which is also on Fox and I’m sure thousands of others around the country would do the same every Saturday if they had a choice of three or four games outside their area. It makes no sense whatsoever to hold people captive for six hours every Saturday. What imbeciles came up with this plan?

Another thing they could do would be to tie my Saturday “choice” package into the Extra Innings package they sell to DirecTV and to the cable companies. They might double their subscribers. It’s too simple. It’s free money. How can they pass it up?

]]> By: WestCoastbirdWatcher http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/05/12/the-cards-25th-man-the-dh-and-mlb-indecision/#comment-2733 WestCoastbirdWatcher Tue, 12 May 2009 06:16:37 +0000 http://thecardinalnation.com/?p=3273#comment-2733 Baseball has made so much money in the last 15 years Brian, that there is probably a real fear of change. It makes sense to Rupert Murdock. When the Twins tried to break independent of Fox, he crushed them. We are immersed in politics whether we like it or not. Baseball has made so much money in the last 15 years Brian, that there is probably a real fear of change. It makes sense to Rupert Murdock. When the Twins tried to break independent of Fox, he crushed them. We are immersed in politics whether we like it or not.

]]> By: bigchieftootiemontana http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2009/05/12/the-cards-25th-man-the-dh-and-mlb-indecision/#comment-2732 bigchieftootiemontana Tue, 12 May 2009 06:12:09 +0000 http://thecardinalnation.com/?p=3273#comment-2732 The long wait for MLB to come to its senses and settle the DH experiment appears to be as likely as Bud Selig finding a new barber. The obvious solution is to end the charade of a roster spot being taken by a player that only plays offense. Baseball is a game played by nine people on each side , each of the nine plays offense and defense . Other team sports allow continuous substitution , in baseball more thought and planning, along with seat of the pants intuitiveness ( or lack of ) goes into a well managed baseball game. Ten players per side, to me means beer leagues ! On the other hand the players union would not want to give up 15 or so DH positions, in the past DH was often a higher priced player. It will be interesting to take a look at the current DH's and see how much offense they really generate. I would guess it isn't that great. Sure, it is more offense than the pitchers put up, but that was pretty exciting and upsetting in Cincy with one pitcher hitting a game tying pinch hit home run and another pitcher that was 0 for a long time , breaking the game open with a hit the day before. Dump the DH ! This is kinda scary with 13 pitchers on the active roster. The expanded numbers of pitchers on the active roster will certainly be a big part of LaRussa's legacy. The long wait for MLB to come to its senses and settle the DH experiment appears to be as likely as Bud Selig finding a new barber.

The obvious solution is to end the charade of a roster spot being taken by a player that only plays offense. Baseball is a game played by nine people on each side , each of the nine plays offense and defense . Other team sports allow continuous substitution , in baseball more thought and planning, along with seat of the pants intuitiveness ( or lack of ) goes into a well managed baseball game.

Ten players per side, to me means beer leagues !

On the other hand the players union would not want to give up 15 or so DH positions, in the past
DH was often a higher priced player. It will be interesting to take a look at the current DH’s and see how much offense they really generate. I would guess it isn’t that great.
Sure, it is more offense than the pitchers put up, but that was pretty exciting and upsetting in Cincy with one pitcher hitting a game tying pinch hit home run and another pitcher that was
0 for a long time , breaking the game open with a hit the day before.

Dump the DH !

This is kinda scary with 13 pitchers on the active roster. The expanded numbers of pitchers on the active roster will certainly be a big part of LaRussa’s legacy.

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