The 2008 All Ex-Cardinals Team
January 22nd, 2009 • Category:
Cardinals History, Dan Haren, Edgar Renteria, Free Agency, J.D. Drew, Placido Polanco • Tagged as Cardinals history, Dan Haren, Edgar Renteria, free agency, J.D. Drew, Placido Polanco, St. Louis Cardinals
Several days ago, I unveiled the St. Louis Cardinals’ “Let ‘em Go” Team, made up of 18 players that were allowed to leave by the Cardinals via free agency this decade. The common thread was that once out of St. Louis, most all of the players were paid more money than they were worth and delivered less results.
I received some comments about the choice of the team, questioning whether I wasn’t ignoring several players the club let go that did better after leaving.
I would say that sticking to the original criteria of free agency, the answer is “no”. When also including players involved in trades, the list of solid players increases slightly in size, but the ultimate conclusion remains the same. One must also remember that those traded Cardinals did not represent a total loss to the organization, since players also came in the other direction.
Major league losses
In creating the “2008 All Ex-Cardinals Team”, the goal was to be complete by listing every former Cardinals major leaguer that suited up for any one of the other 29 major league clubs in 2008. With considerable assistance from Cardinals Best News Links’ Josh Jones, I was able to identify at least 41 such players.
I then selected my starting nine, noted in bold below. I submit that only four, Placido Polanco, Edgar Renteria, J.D. Drew and Dan Haren (pictured) would be starters if they were members of the 2009 Cardinals. Yet, only one of them left St. Louis as part of what I would now call a bad move.
With the benefit of hindsight, of the four, only Haren was a deal that I would not do today. Of course, he went to Oakland with two other players for Mark Mulder prior to the 2005 season. Haren has all the makings of being a star for years to come.
The others ultimately worked out fine for the Cardinals, as Polanco was part of the price of Scott Rolen. Rolen was once an All-Star, but was significantly outplayed in 2008 by Troy Glaus, who the Cardinals received in trade for him from Toronto.
Renteria went into a decline and didn’t earn his $40 million, while the Cards picked up 2006 World Series MVP David Eckstein instead at about half the price plus got top organizational prospect, outfielder Colby Rasmus as part of the compensation for losing Edgar.
Drew went to Atlanta for just one season as the Cards received Adam Wainwright as part of the take. Cardinals fans still thank you very much, John Schuerholz!
Including my other five “starters” in bold below along with the remainder of the 41 names, there are few that would even make all that great of reserves on the 2009 Cardinals. In other words, the majority of the still-active players that have left St. Louis aren’t that badly missed.
|
Player |
Pos |
Yrs StL |
2008 MLB |
| Infield |
Gary Bennett |
C |
2006-7 |
Dodgers |
|
Mike DiFelice |
C |
1996-7,2002 |
Rays |
|
Mark Sweeney |
1B |
1995-7 |
Dodgers |
|
Dmitri Young |
1B |
1996-7 |
Nationals |
|
Marlon Anderson |
2B |
2004 |
Mets |
|
Ronnie Belliard |
2B |
2006 |
Nationals |
|
Miguel Cairo |
2B |
2001-3,7 |
Mariners |
|
Mark Grudzielanek |
2B |
2005 |
Royals |
|
Placido Polanco |
2B |
1998-2002 |
Tigers |
|
David Eckstein |
SS |
2005-7 |
Blue Jays/Dbacks |
|
Hector Luna |
SS |
2004-6 |
Blue Jays |
|
Edgar Renteria |
SS |
1999-2004 |
Tigers |
|
Russell Branyan |
3B |
2007 |
Brewers |
|
Abraham Nunez |
3B |
2005 |
Mets |
|
Scott Rolen |
3B |
2002-7 |
Blue Jays |
|
Fernando Tatis |
3B |
1998-2000 |
Mets |
|
|
|
|
|
| Outfield |
J.D. Drew |
OF |
1998-2003 |
RedSox |
|
Jim Edmonds |
OF |
2000-7 |
Cubs |
|
So Taguchi |
OF |
2002-7 |
Phillies |
|
|
|
|
|
| Starters |
Dan Haren |
SP |
2003-4 |
Diamondbacks |
|
Jason Marquis |
SP |
2004-6 |
Cubs |
|
Matt Morris |
SP |
1997-2005 |
Pirates |
|
Jamie Moyer |
SP |
1991 |
Phillies |
|
Anthony Reyes |
SP |
2005-8 |
Cardinals/Indians |
|
Sidney Ponson |
SP |
2006 |
Rangers/Yankees |
|
Jeff Suppan |
SP |
2004-6 |
Brewers |
|
Brett Tomko |
SP |
2003 |
Royals/Padres |
|
Kip Wells |
SP |
2007 |
Rockies/Royals |
|
|
|
|
|
| Relievers |
Kiko Calero |
RP |
2003-4 |
A’s |
|
Brian Falkenborg |
RP |
2006-7 |
Dodgers/Padres |
|
Ray King |
RP |
2004-5 |
Nationals |
|
Mike Lincoln |
RP |
2004 |
Reds |
|
Kent Mercker |
RP |
1998-9 |
Reds |
|
Darren Oliver |
RP |
1998-9 |
Angels |
|
Troy Percival |
RP |
2007 |
Rays |
|
Al Reyes |
RP |
2004-5 |
Rays |
|
Ricardo Rincon |
RP |
2006 |
Mets |
|
Jorge Sosa |
RP |
2006 |
Mets |
|
Julian Tavarez |
RP |
2004-5 |
Red Sox/Brewers/Braves |
|
Mike Timlin |
RP |
2000-2 |
Red Sox |
|
Jamey Wright |
RP |
2002 |
Rangers |
Minor league losses
In addition to the 41 former Cardinals major leaguers above, another 15 ex-Cardinals minor leaguers appeared somewhere in the majors during the 2008 campaign.
We can’t quite field a full lineup from this group, as there is no third baseman, for example. In addition, the number of former minor league outfielders and starting pitchers that put on an MLB uniform last season is very small at two and one, respectively.
With the exception of Jack Wilson and Coco Crisp, traded away almost a decade prior, eight and nine years ago respectively, there are no real impact players among this group. As such, any real damage the Cardinals caused by minor leaguers being traded away was initiated a long time ago.
For all the gnashing of teeth at the time over prospect Daric Barton going to the A’s in the Mulder deal, to date Barton has arguably been as big of a disappointment in Oakland as Mulder was in St. Louis. As noted above, Haren was the big loss.
|
Player |
Pos |
Yrs StL |
Highest level |
2008 MLB |
| Infield |
Robinson Cancel |
C |
2005 |
Memphis |
Mets |
|
Michel Hernandez |
C |
2006 |
Memphis |
Rays |
|
Danny Ardoin |
C |
2007 |
Memphis |
Dodgers |
|
Daric Barton |
1B |
2003-4 |
Peoria |
A’s |
|
Edgar Gonzalez |
2B |
2007 |
Memphis |
Padres |
|
Jolbert Cabrera |
2B |
2007 |
Memphis |
Reds |
|
Jack Wilson |
SS |
1998-2000 |
Arkansas |
Pirates |
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Outfield |
Coco Crisp |
OF |
1999-2001 |
Potomac |
Red Sox |
|
Emil Brown |
OF |
2004 |
Memphis |
A’s |
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Pitchers |
Chris Lambert |
SP |
2004-7 |
Memphis |
Tigers |
|
Matt Ginter |
RP |
2007 |
Memphis |
Indians |
|
Joe Nelson |
RP |
2005 |
Springfield |
Marlins |
|
Vladimir Nunez |
RP |
2005 |
Memphis |
Braves |
|
Rich Rundles |
RP |
2006 |
Springfield |
Indians |
|
Les Walrond |
RP |
1998-2003 |
Memphis |
Phillies |
The newest ex-Cardinals
The final group presented is the new additions to the first list for 2009 – at least the ones that can find MLB jobs next season will be. This group of 15 players all saw action for the 2008 Cardinals (or were on the disabled list all year) but left the organization following the season.
Other than outfielders, of which there is only one, Juan Encarnacion, a full lineup could be fielded from these departed 2008 Cardinals. One, Kelvin Jimenez, left via a waiver claim. Three, Rico Washington, Mark Johnson and Josh Phelps, became minor league free agents after they were also dropped from the 40-man roster. Two more, Aaron Miles and Tyler Johnson, were arbitration-eligible, but were non-tendered instead.
The other nine were granted free agency, of which six are pitchers, two are infielders and the last is outfielder Encarnacion, who suffered a career-ending eye injury late in the 2007 season.
Of the nine, it is most interesting to note that all six free agent pitchers are still looking for a place to play in 2009. The only two to have signed are the middle infielders Felipe Lopez (Arizona) and shortstop Cesar Izturis (Baltimore). Non-tendered middle infield utilityman Miles also wasn’t out of work very long.
That seems to be a combination of a soft pitching market and the relative scarcity of decent middle infielders. Otherwise, it is pretty safe to say demand has been weak for the more recent group of departing Redbirds.
|
Player |
Pos |
2009 organization |
| Infield |
Mark Johnson |
C |
Cubs |
|
Josh Phelps |
1B |
Giants |
|
Aaron Miles |
2B |
Cubs |
|
Felipe Lopez |
2B |
Dbacks |
|
Cesar Izturis |
SS |
Orioles |
|
Rico Washington |
3B |
FA |
|
|
|
|
| Outfield |
Juan Encarnacion |
OF |
FA |
|
|
|
|
| Pitchers |
Braden Looper |
SP |
FA |
|
Mark Mulder |
SP |
FA |
|
Randy Flores |
RP |
FA |
|
Jason Isringhausen |
RP |
FA |
|
Kelvin Jimenez |
RP |
White Sox |
|
Tyler Johnson |
RP |
FA |
|
Russ Springer |
RP |
FA |
|
Ron Villone |
RP |
FA |
In conclusion
While there are a handful of still very fine players among the 71 ex-Cardinals organization players listed here, most are not difference-makers. Instead, for the vast majority, it is probably better both for them and the Cardinals that they are playing their future ball elsewhere.
yep, I agree, the front office doesn’t have a clue what they are doing.
I think Soupcan would have started, as would Percival (if healthy). Then again, Mulder would have started too, IF healthy.
This shows they are pretty good judges of major-league talent. If only our minor league scouts were as good at drafting pitchers. Can we steal away the Rays’ pitching scouts?
No offense to the Rays, but remember that they never had as many as 70 wins in one season prior to 2009. They never finished better than third to the bottom on the AL. That means they drafted in the top five or six pretty much every year for ten consecutive years. The Cardinals, generally picking down in the 20′s, didn’t see the elite talent remaining on the board and as we know, the guys they did select during that time haven’t delivered with the exception of Haren, who was a second-rounder.
Agree entirely with Brian. On the occasions when the Cards had decent spots to draft from they didn’t come through. I think Law’s rankings show that the new commitment to player development will pay off. The yankees won in the late 90s with player development and have largely failed in the 2000s because they relied to heavily on free agency.
And excellent work on the breakdown above. I am new to the site and love the information you provide. Thanks.
Thanks, cfit! I am glad you found the site. Feel free to post anytime.
Interesting observation about the Yankees. My take is they excelled when they had both cylinders hitting – prospects and free agency. Their long-term core of Jeter, Pettitte, Rivera, Posada, etc. did arrive the old-fashioned way. Still, the club always seemed to augment them with high-priced players, too. The Yanks have led MLB in payroll every year except one since 1995, which is the year all four of them first arrived. (The only exception was 1998.)
David Price = 1st round pick.
Jamie Shields = 16th round pick.
Andy Sonnanstine = 13th round pick.
The Cardinals have no excuses for failing to find top-of-the-rotation pitchers in the draft, regardless of their slotting. Before Haren, you have to go all the way back to RIck Ankiel to find another one. I count Jaime Garcia as a probable 1-3 starter. The first-round picks of Morris and Ankiel, and the second-round pick of Haren were the only top-flight starters to be developed in-house for 13 years, until the arrival of Garcia last year.
Oops, Ankiel was a second-rounder also.
RedC: Ankiel was a 2nd rounder, owing to bonus. He was a high first round, on talent grounds. In those days, teams were more miserly with amateur bonuses, but the Cards broke ranks with MLB and bonused Ankiel. This helped lift bonuses in later years.
Clearly, you still refuse to recognize the mad offensive force that is Fernando Tatis.
Tatis had one game that will never be forgotten. Though he is an outfielder with the Mets, I listed him at 3B above for old times sake.