Comments on: Selling Anthony Reyes for $50K http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2008/12/13/selling-anthony-reyes-for-50k/ Brian Walton's news and commentary on the St. Louis Cardinals (TM) and their minor league system Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:03:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: JumboShrimp http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2008/12/13/selling-anthony-reyes-for-50k/#comment-51 JumboShrimp Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:46:40 +0000 http://thecardinalnation.com/?p=111#comment-51 I dont think it was possible to trade Reyes after the 06 season. We had too many starting pitchers who decamped and starting pitching hyperinflated in the free agent market. We signed Wells, converted Looper, and tried to rely on the cheap and inexeprienced Wainwright and Reyes. With Reyes, it might have worked out better, but it also could have worked out as it indeed did. Its good to let bygones be bygone, while Reyes gets another chance for the Indians. Maybe Kerry Wood will help him collect some Ws. I dont think it was possible to trade Reyes after the 06 season. We had too many starting pitchers who decamped and starting pitching hyperinflated in the free agent market. We signed Wells, converted Looper, and tried to rely on the cheap and inexeprienced Wainwright and Reyes.
With Reyes, it might have worked out better, but it also could have worked out as it indeed did. Its good to let bygones be bygone, while Reyes gets another chance for the Indians. Maybe Kerry Wood will help him collect some Ws.

]]> By: Brian http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2008/12/13/selling-anthony-reyes-for-50k/#comment-50 Brian Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:40:02 +0000 http://thecardinalnation.com/?p=111#comment-50 It is surely not realistic to think that every possible combination of players and coaches would maximize results every time. Some come out well, others less so, which I think is your point. It is surely not realistic to think that every possible combination of players and coaches would maximize results every time. Some come out well, others less so, which I think is your point.

]]> By: JumboShrimp http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2008/12/13/selling-anthony-reyes-for-50k/#comment-49 JumboShrimp Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:33:29 +0000 http://thecardinalnation.com/?p=111#comment-49 If we blame someone for Reyes, does Wellemeyer provide them redemption? Wellemeyer got released out of the bullpen of a last place team, but the Cards turned him into an ok pitcher. Reyes pitched a few fine games for the Cards. But to pitch for Duncan, a guy may need a crisper breaking ball. Since Dunc has coached a lot of ML pitchers, I defer to his expertise. If we blame someone for Reyes, does Wellemeyer provide them redemption? Wellemeyer got released out of the bullpen of a last place team, but the Cards turned him into an ok pitcher.
Reyes pitched a few fine games for the Cards. But to pitch for Duncan, a guy may need a crisper breaking ball. Since Dunc has coached a lot of ML pitchers, I defer to his expertise.

]]> By: Brian http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2008/12/13/selling-anthony-reyes-for-50k/#comment-45 Brian Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:22:54 +0000 http://thecardinalnation.com/?p=111#comment-45 I agree about the folly of apportioning blame. It is something I consistently harp against doing, which I thought about when I typed that. Yet, it is something people always want to do. Forgetting blame, I do think Reyes' time in StL could have come out differently. Too bad it didn't. I agree about the folly of apportioning blame. It is something I consistently harp against doing, which I thought about when I typed that. Yet, it is something people always want to do.

Forgetting blame, I do think Reyes’ time in StL could have come out differently. Too bad it didn’t.

]]> By: JumboShrimp http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2008/12/13/selling-anthony-reyes-for-50k/#comment-42 JumboShrimp Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:15:49 +0000 http://thecardinalnation.com/?p=111#comment-42 I doubt the merit of apporting blame regarding Reyes. No minor leaguer is a sure thing. He got 30+ starts He was horrendous in 2007. Since his market value was low, the Cards gave Anthony a fresh opportunity for the tiny price of Perdomo. Some fans may have been optimistic about Reyes and have transferred this hopefulness to Perdomo. Yet Perdomo did not do a lot at Springfield to warrant the 40 man roster. If the Giants want him, Perdomo is theirs. Haerther does not have as much speed as some other OF prospects and he suffered the tough luck of some injuries. Its good of the Cards to give Reyes, Perdomo, and Haerther fresh chances elsewhere. It also gives the team more AA/AAA roster slots for others. I doubt the merit of apporting blame regarding Reyes. No minor leaguer is a sure thing. He got 30+ starts He was horrendous in 2007. Since his market value was low, the Cards gave Anthony a fresh opportunity for the tiny price of Perdomo.
Some fans may have been optimistic about Reyes and have transferred this hopefulness to Perdomo. Yet Perdomo did not do a lot at Springfield to warrant the 40 man roster. If the Giants want him, Perdomo is theirs.
Haerther does not have as much speed as some other OF prospects and he suffered the tough luck of some injuries.
Its good of the Cards to give Reyes, Perdomo, and Haerther fresh chances elsewhere. It also gives the team more AA/AAA roster slots for others.

]]> By: Brian http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2008/12/13/selling-anthony-reyes-for-50k/#comment-21 Brian Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:14:00 +0000 http://thecardinalnation.com/?p=111#comment-21 With 20-20 hindsight working in our favor, trading Reyes before the 2007 season would have been tough, no doubt, but given his value was at its highest as you say, the Cardinals would have received a more valuable player or players in return, ones that may have helped the 2007 team. Seems likely he/they would have contributed more than Reyes. I am not a big fan of the theory that the front office and coaching staff are not on the same page, nor do I believe they always agree, but the Reyes situation sure felt like the coaches and the player gave up working together before the front office could/would act. It really feels like a lost opportunity, now made worse by letting Perdomo walk. Good for Reyes and the Indians if they can make it work. Same with the Giants and Perdomo, though the latter may be back come the end of March. With 20-20 hindsight working in our favor, trading Reyes before the 2007 season would have been tough, no doubt, but given his value was at its highest as you say, the Cardinals would have received a more valuable player or players in return, ones that may have helped the 2007 team. Seems likely he/they would have contributed more than Reyes.

I am not a big fan of the theory that the front office and coaching staff are not on the same page, nor do I believe they always agree, but the Reyes situation sure felt like the coaches and the player gave up working together before the front office could/would act. It really feels like a lost opportunity, now made worse by letting Perdomo walk.

Good for Reyes and the Indians if they can make it work. Same with the Giants and Perdomo, though the latter may be back come the end of March.

]]> By: Nutlaw http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2008/12/13/selling-anthony-reyes-for-50k/#comment-20 Nutlaw Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:04:59 +0000 http://thecardinalnation.com/?p=111#comment-20 After carrying a 1.83 ERA in six starts with the Indians before being shut down for the year, I image that Reyes' stock will again be rising. After carrying a 1.83 ERA in six starts with the Indians before being shut down for the year, I image that Reyes’ stock will again be rising.

]]> By: Oquendo11 http://thecardinalnationblog.com/2008/12/13/selling-anthony-reyes-for-50k/#comment-17 Oquendo11 Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:54:14 +0000 http://thecardinalnation.com/?p=111#comment-17 There is no question that Reyes lost trade value over the last two years. From a baseball standpoint (with hindsight) it would have been best to trade him before the 2007 season when his trade value was highest. But what would the fan reaction have been to trading away the winner of Game 1 of the WS, in addition to letting the winner of Game 5 walk away? There is no question that Reyes lost trade value over the last two years. From a baseball standpoint (with hindsight) it would have been best to trade him before the 2007 season when his trade value was highest. But what would the fan reaction have been to trading away the winner of Game 1 of the WS, in addition to letting the winner of Game 5 walk away?

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